September 2023 - Foundation-board

Re: Any topics for the October 3rd meeting of the board?
by Julia Kreger 28 Oct '23

28 Oct '23

Greetings Eoghan! I wholeheartedly agree, this is worthwhile to get on everyone's radar. As far as I'm aware, this topic has not come up before in the OpenInfra community, but we are a wide and diverse community. I do concur that this would fall into the scope of the board, in large part because we maintain authority over licenses and the acceptable copyrights. And as you've pointed out, this can quickly result in needing to dive into the license agreements and assignments which members commit to. Realistically, I think if we opted to permit AI generated code content, the content would still need to be denoted in the code itself under current USPTO guidelines, because the code in a single commit would then have two different sets of rules applying to it. One for the AI generated portion, and separately a human's influence over it. That being said, that is only my mildly caffeinated impression after doing some additional reading. I think a working group session may be a good starting place to collect thoughts from the board members. Meanwhile, I've added Thierry to the discussion because this might be something already on the staff's radar. -Julia On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eoghan Glynn <eglynn(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > Thanks Julia, > > Not necessarily a reason on its own to justify an October meeting, but one > that we might consider getting on our radar before the end of the year if > it's not already being discussed in other Open Infra forums ... > > After reading a recent ASF blog > <https://news.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf-legal-committee-issues-generat…> announcement, > I asked the Red Hat team yesterday if anyone knew if there's an Open Infra > equivalent for the Apache guidance > <https://www.apache.org/legal/generative-tooling.html> on using > generative AI for code contributions. > > I also asked if this topic would naturally fall into the domain of the > [OpenStack] TC to discuss and craft a policy. > > The response I got was it felt more like a topic for discussion at the > Foundation Board level, since it likely touches on the CLA and may require > legal insight. > > So a future Board discussion could be warranted on what type generated > content we're comfortable with (if any) and whether it would make sense to > encourage or even require disclosure of any such tool usage in the commit > message. > > Cheers, > Eoghan > > On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 3:58 PM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Greetings Directors, >> >> This morning Allison Randall and I met with the foundation executive >> staff to identify core topics from the staff to turn into an agenda for our >> upcoming meeting. Unfortunately, we determined that we would not have any >> items ready for the board for this upcoming meeting. The plus is that we >> can cancel the October 3rd meeting if we have no other business to attend >> to. The down side is our November meeting is likely going to have a number >> of topics to cover. >> >> As such, if anyone has any topics which need to be discussed and >> addressed during the scheduled meeting on October 3rd, please let me know >> before 9 AM Friday morning US-Pacific (4 PM UTC). If I receive no topics by >> that time, I will cancel the October meeting of the board, and we will meet >> next during our scheduled November meeting. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Julia >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation-board mailing list >> Foundation-board(a)lists.openinfra.dev >> >

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Re: Any topics for the October 3rd meeting of the board?
by Julia Kreger 04 Oct '23

04 Oct '23

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 9:48 AM Eoghan Glynn <eglynn(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:07 PM Thierry Carrez <thierry(a)openinfra.dev> > wrote: > >> Thanks for looping me in, Julia. >> >> It's definitely on our radar. It is a fast-changing legal landscape, and >> while the ASF can be praised for issuing early guidelines, most of their >> guidance is pretty open-ended right now, and is meant more as a living >> document that is going to evolve. >> >> I actually participate in the Open Source Initiative new webinar series >> on defining open source AI, and will be exploring the effects of the >> introduction of AI on openly-developed open source together with Davanum >> Srinivas (AWS, long time contributor to Apache projects, OpenStack and >> Kubernetes) and Diane Mueller (now at Bitergia). The effects of >> generative AI on code contributions will be a key part of the >> discussion. It will happen on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC / 11am CT: >> >> https://deepdiveai.sessionize.com/session/526792 > > > Thanks all, > > @Thierry: Excellent, thanks for the heads-up. I'll try to attend your > webinar on Wednesday, looking forward to hearing the views of such an > eminent panel. > > @Julia: Agreed that a board working group session would be a useful > starting point. Would setting that WG up be a topic for the November board > meeting agenda, or something we could spin up in advance of that? > > It doesn't require a vote to form an informal working group, so realistically we can set a date/time and send out an invite, but email is also not the best means of communication at times so we may have a different composition of attendees after a board meeting. This might not be a bad thing either! I guess if we can identify the concrete concerns in advance, it would likely help such a discussion. -Julia Cheers, > Eoghan > > >> Thierry >> >> Julia Kreger wrote: >> > Greetings Eoghan! >> > >> > I wholeheartedly agree, this is worthwhile to get on everyone's radar. >> > >> > As far as I'm aware, this topic has not come up before in the OpenInfra >> > community, but we are a wide and diverse community. I do concur that >> > this would fall into the scope of the board, in large part because we >> > maintain authority over licenses and the acceptable copyrights. And as >> > you've pointed out, this can quickly result in needing to dive into the >> > license agreements and assignments which members commit to. >> > >> > Realistically, I think if we opted to permit AI generated code content, >> > the content would still need to be denoted in the code itself under >> > current USPTO guidelines, because the code in a single commit would >> then >> > have two different sets of rules applying to it. One for the AI >> > generated portion, and separately a human's influence over it. That >> > being said, that is only my mildly caffeinated impression after doing >> > some additional reading. >> > >> > I think a working group session may be a good starting place to collect >> > thoughts from the board members. Meanwhile, I've added Thierry to the >> > discussion because this might be something already on the staff's radar. >> > >> > -Julia >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eoghan Glynn <eglynn(a)redhat.com >> > <mailto:eglynn@redhat.com>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Thanks Julia, >> > >> > Not necessarily a reason on its own to justify an October meeting, >> > but one that we might consider getting on our radar before the end >> > of the year if it's not already being discussed in other Open Infra >> > forums ... >> > >> > After reading a recent ASF blog >> > < >> https://news.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf-legal-committee-issues-generat…> announcement, >> I asked the Red Hat team yesterday if anyone knew if there's an Open Infra >> equivalent for the Apache guidance < >> https://www.apache.org/legal/generative-tooling.html> on using >> generative AI for code contributions. >> > >> > I also asked if this topic would naturally fall into the domain of >> > the [OpenStack] TC to discuss and craft a policy. >> > >> > The response I got was it felt more like a topic for discussion at >> > the Foundation Board level, since it likely touches on the CLA and >> > may require legal insight. >> > >> > So a future Board discussion could be warranted on what type >> > generated content we're comfortable with (if any) and whether it >> > would make sense to encourage or even require disclosure of any such >> > tool usage in the commit message. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Eoghan >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 3:58 PM Julia Kreger >> > <juliaashleykreger(a)gmail.com <mailto:juliaashleykreger@gmail.com>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Greetings Directors, >> > >> > This morning Allison Randall and I met with the foundation >> > executive staff to identify core topics from the staff to turn >> > into an agenda for our upcoming meeting. Unfortunately, we >> > determined that we would not have any items ready for the board >> > for this upcoming meeting. The plus is that we can cancel the >> > October 3rd meeting if we have no other business to attend to. >> > The down side is our November meeting is likely going to have a >> > number of topics to cover. >> > >> > As such, if anyone has any topics which need to be discussed and >> > addressed during the scheduled meeting on October 3rd, please >> > let me know before 9 AM Friday morning US-Pacific (4 PM UTC). If >> > I receive no topics by that time, I will cancel the October >> > meeting of the board, and we will meet next during our scheduled >> > November meeting. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > -Julia >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Foundation-board mailing list >> > Foundation-board(a)lists.openinfra.dev >> > <mailto:Foundation-board@lists.openinfra.dev> >> >>

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October meeting of the OpenInfra Board of Directors has been cancelled
by Julia Kreger 23 Sep '23

23 Sep '23

Greetings, Per my email to the foundation-board list[0] on September 19th, I have cancelled the October meeting of the Board of Directors after discussion with the Foundation staff and the Vice-Chair. We will meet in November during the scheduled time. For those of you attending that meeting, please be prepared for us to utilize the entire scheduled window as we will have a number of topics to address during that meeting in large part due to the time of year in preparation for 2024. Thanks, and we'll see you in November! -Julia [0]: https://lists.openinfra.dev/archives/list/foundation-board@lists.openinfra.…

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Any topics for the October 3rd meeting of the board?
by Julia Kreger 19 Sep '23

19 Sep '23

Greetings Directors, This morning Allison Randall and I met with the foundation executive staff to identify core topics from the staff to turn into an agenda for our upcoming meeting. Unfortunately, we determined that we would not have any items ready for the board for this upcoming meeting. The plus is that we can cancel the October 3rd meeting if we have no other business to attend to. The down side is our November meeting is likely going to have a number of topics to cover. As such, if anyone has any topics which need to be discussed and addressed during the scheduled meeting on October 3rd, please let me know before 9 AM Friday morning US-Pacific (4 PM UTC). If I receive no topics by that time, I will cancel the October meeting of the board, and we will meet next during our scheduled November meeting. Thanks, -Julia

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OpenInfra Foundation Board of Directors Meeting, September 6th at 0500-0700 UTC
by Julia Kreger 04 Sep '23

04 Sep '23

Greetings, The next meeting of the OpenInfra Foundation Board of Directors will occur on Wednesday August 6th at 0500 UTC. For those in North America, the meeting will start at 10 PM Tuesday September 5th. During this meeting, we will receive an update from the Foundation staff including updates on the 2024 event strategy, and we will be voting on a minor yet important change to the Platinum Member Policy. Date/Time (in UTC): Meeting Date : September 6th, 2023 Meeting Time: 0500-0700 UTC Video conference: https://zoom.us/j/96201224963 International dial-in (audio only): https://zoom.us/zoomconference (conference ID #962 0122 4963) To join the session by phone only: +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) OR +1 646 876 9923 US (New York) Meeting ID: 962 0122 4963 Agenda: https://board.openinfra.dev/en/meetings/2023-09-05 Thanks, Julia

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