From alanclark at openstack.org Tue Apr 2 13:43:13 2019 From: alanclark at openstack.org (Alan Clark) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 07:43:13 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation Message-ID: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board's decisions. To ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as follows: (changed text in italics). 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, and discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law. If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. Thanks, Alan Clark [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmation Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com Tue Apr 2 13:49:33 2019 From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com (Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:33 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: <423268e6d25e483b85c9dc9977b67672@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> Sounds like a good change. Alan, Do you propose we vote on it at Denver? Thanks, Arkady From: Alan Clark Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:43 AM To: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board's decisions. To ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as follows: (changed text in italics). 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, and discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law. If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. Thanks, Alan Clark [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean.mcginnis at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 13:54:30 2019 From: sean.mcginnis at gmail.com (Sean McGinnis) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:54:30 -0500 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and approval of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall under the first two items mentioned to not be public? Sean On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark wrote: > As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as > the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board > desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step > in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. > Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation > resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at > its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As > the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To > ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as > possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the > board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as > follows: (changed text in italics). > > > > 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect > attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the > candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, *and discuss the > review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, *the Board of > Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via > remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board > of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other > information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate > Law. > > > > If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that > there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment > provides a mechanism for such discussion. > > > > Thanks, > > Alan Clark > > > > > > [1] > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines > > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation-board mailing list > Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanclark at openstack.org Tue Apr 2 23:11:25 2019 From: alanclark at openstack.org (Alan Clark) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 17:11:25 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <423268e6d25e483b85c9dc9977b67672@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <423268e6d25e483b85c9dc9977b67672@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> Message-ID: <009201d4e9a9$658b9ba0$30a2d2e0$@openstack.org> The action from the last board meeting was for the motion to be made at next week's meeting. Thanks, AlanClark From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com [mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 7:50 AM To: AlanClark at openstack.org; foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation Sounds like a good change. Alan, Do you propose we vote on it at Denver? Thanks, Arkady From: Alan Clark > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:43 AM To: foundation at lists.openstack.org ; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board's decisions. To ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as follows: (changed text in italics). 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, and discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law. If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. Thanks, Alan Clark [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmation Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com Tue Apr 2 23:15:11 2019 From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com (Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 23:15:11 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <009201d4e9a9$658b9ba0$30a2d2e0$@openstack.org> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <423268e6d25e483b85c9dc9977b67672@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> <009201d4e9a9$658b9ba0$30a2d2e0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: <07541ac9b5b847d381c6947a41906ffb@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> Alan, I feel this too rushed. Any Bylaw changes typically run by legal in companies before the vote. Do not see how we can achieve that in 1 week. Thanks, Arkady From: Alan Clark Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 6:11 PM To: Kanevsky, Arkady; foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] The action from the last board meeting was for the motion to be made at next week's meeting. Thanks, AlanClark From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com [mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 7:50 AM To: AlanClark at openstack.org; foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation Sounds like a good change. Alan, Do you propose we vote on it at Denver? Thanks, Arkady From: Alan Clark > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:43 AM To: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board's decisions. To ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as follows: (changed text in italics). 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, and discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law. If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. Thanks, Alan Clark [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanclark at openstack.org Tue Apr 2 23:23:41 2019 From: alanclark at openstack.org (Alan Clark) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 17:23:41 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <07541ac9b5b847d381c6947a41906ffb@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <423268e6d25e483b85c9dc9977b67672@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> <009201d4e9a9$658b9ba0$30a2d2e0$@openstack.org> <07541ac9b5b847d381c6947a41906ffb@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM> Message-ID: <00bd01d4e9ab$1c1a6bc0$544f4340$@openstack.org> Sure. This isn't an item that needs to be rushed. From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com [mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 5:15 PM To: AlanClark at openstack.org; foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation Alan, I feel this too rushed. Any Bylaw changes typically run by legal in companies before the vote. Do not see how we can achieve that in 1 week. Thanks, Arkady From: Alan Clark > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 6:11 PM To: Kanevsky, Arkady; foundation at lists.openstack.org ; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] The action from the last board meeting was for the motion to be made at next week's meeting. Thanks, AlanClark From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com [mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 7:50 AM To: AlanClark at openstack.org ; foundation at lists.openstack.org ; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation Sounds like a good change. Alan, Do you propose we vote on it at Denver? Thanks, Arkady From: Alan Clark > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:43 AM To: foundation at lists.openstack.org ; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board's decisions. To ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as follows: (changed text in italics). 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, and discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law. If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. Thanks, Alan Clark [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmation Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanclark at openstack.org Tue Apr 2 23:46:12 2019 From: alanclark at openstack.org (Alan Clark) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 17:46:12 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: <00d601d4e9ae$41a87f50$c4f97df0$@openstack.org> Thanks for the input Sean. I’ll circle with Legal to see if the wording can be clarified. -AlanClark From: Sean McGinnis [mailto:sean.mcginnis at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 7:55 AM To: AlanClark at openstack.org Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and approval of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall under the first two items mentioned to not be public? Sean On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark > wrote: As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To ensure that the board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as follows: (changed text in italics). 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, and discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law. If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. Thanks, Alan Clark [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines _______________________________________________ Foundation-board mailing list Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mnaser at vexxhost.com Thu Apr 4 20:03:02 2019 From: mnaser at vexxhost.com (Mohammed Naser) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 16:03:02 -0400 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] OpenStack TC feedback on Zuul for OIP Confirmation Message-ID: Per the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[0], the OSF Board of directors is soliciting feedback from representatives of existing confirmed Open Infrastructure Projects (so far that's just OpenStack) when evaluating the Zuul pilot project's upcoming application for OIP confirmation. We reached out to the OpenStack community to get an idea of what interactions have been experienced or observed relevant to these guidelines, and compiled them in an Etherpad[1] for ease of collaboration. The feedback is broken down by each of the five major guideline headings along with a catch-all at the end. Here follows an attempt to summarize what we've learned: Zuul furthers the strategic focus of the OSF, helping open infrastrucure projects ensure the highest possible levels of code quality by applying the concept of project gating. It is responsible in great part for the success of OpenStack and OpenDev, as well as found useful by other pilot projects like Airship and StarlingX. It's widely seen as a simplifying force for our continuous integration and project infrastructure. Zuul itself makes heavy use of OpenStack-based services and considers those a first-class supported feature. The governance[2] for Zuul is fairly straightforward, perhaps described in OpenStack terms as a team of consensus-seeking core reviewers (the Zuul Maintainers) who elect a PTL (the Zuul Project Lead) from within their ranks rather than relying on anyone who has contributed a patch to do so. It is also somewhat analogous to how the OpenStack TC elects its chair, though the Zuul Maintainers are a self-selected group rather than being elected by other patch submitters. Given that in OpenStack each PTL is basically always already a core reviewer and a consensus choice of their peers (and almost always the only candidate nominated), and that PTLs tend to defer addition and removal of new core reviewers to consensus among the existing cores, this seems like a model based in the reality of team dynamics. The Zuul project has not discarded the recommended practices from its origins as a part of OpenStack, and indeed is itself responsible for instating many of those practices within OpenStack. The OpenStack community is particularly fond of Zuul's extensive, integrated documentation[3] on which it heavily relies. While there are instructions[4] on how to report suspected vulnerabilities and the team is regularly publishing advisories[5][6][7], it was noted that there is not yet a published document describing the vulnerability management process followed so this is a potential area for improvement. Similarly, Zuul's fundamental collaboration model is also inherited from its OpenStack roots (or you could say Zuul was responsible for much of it while still a part of OpenStack). The members of the Zuul community are happy to help users, including other Open Infrastrucure Projects and OSF pilot projects, solve their problems even (or perhaps especially) when it means Zuul itself needs to grow new features to do so. There was one note that it might be nice to get a clearer picture as to how Zuul relates or could relate to the projects in the newly-formed CD Foundation[8]. As to active engagement, Zuul is remarked as having an obvious diversity of developers and production users from many companies with a rapidly growing ecosystem and presence at industry events like AnsibleFest. The Zuul community has also been observed going to great lengths in assisting new deployers of its software, many of whom are notably operators of third-party CI for testing drivers and features of various OpenStack subsystems. Even the software itself is considered to be a tool of outreach, leaving its own inline review comments for syntax errors in proposed configuration changes. [0] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tc-zuul-confirmation-feedback [2] https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/governance.html [3] https://zuul-ci.org/docs/ [4] https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/user/vulnerabilities.html [5] http://lists.zuul-ci.org/pipermail/zuul-announce/2018-November/000027.html [6] http://lists.zuul-ci.org/pipermail/zuul-announce/2019-January/000032.html [7] http://lists.zuul-ci.org/pipermail/zuul-announce/2019-March/000035.html [8] https://cd.foundation/ -- Mohammed Naser — vexxhost ----------------------------------------------------- D. 514-316-8872 D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200 E. mnaser at vexxhost.com W. http://vexxhost.com From mnaser at vexxhost.com Thu Apr 4 20:04:10 2019 From: mnaser at vexxhost.com (Mohammed Naser) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 16:04:10 -0400 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] OpenStack TC feedback on Kata Containers for OIP Confirmation Message-ID: Per the OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[0], the OSF Board of directors is soliciting feedback from representatives of existing confirmed Open Infrastructure Projects (so far that's just OpenStack) when evaluating the Kata Containers pilot project's upcoming application for OIP confirmation. We reached out to the OpenStack community to get an idea of what interactions have been experienced or observed relevant to these guidelines, and compiled them in an Etherpad[1] for ease of collaboration. The feedback is broken down by each of the five major guideline headings along with a catch-all at the end. Here follows an attempt to summarize what we've learned: Kata Containers aids the OSF's strategic focus by bringing value to those working with multi-tenant and similarly sensitive container-oriented technologies. It has brought the OSF community new inroads with Amazon/AWS technologists through its collaboration and integration with their Firecracker project. Involvement with OpenStack projects seems so far to have been limited to Zun[2], though Kata's testing has indirectly helped improve the state of nested virtualization in OpenStack. Opportunities for interaction with Magnum and other related parts of OpenStack remain as of yet untapped, and it was also suggested that use cases for leveraging Kata to further isolate Zuul executor processes and job nodes merit future exploration. Unfortunately, overall lack of OpenStack community familiarity with Kata seems to indicate some failures at outreach, possibly in both directions (including noted absence from PTGs). The governance[3] established for Kata employs a relatively similar model to that of OpenStack at the top level with their AC parallel to the OpenStack TC, and the election process they've followed is similar as well (though tuned for electors contributing through GitHub rather than OpenDev). On recommended technical practices, they use a vulnerability management process[4] inspired by OpenStack's, but maintain their own public CI system[5] to test and report on proposed pull requests for their software along with performing periodic post-merge performance analyses. When it comes to open collaboration, their reliance on proprietary tools like GitHub and Slack was called out as a possible point of contention, however respondents from the OpenStack community remarked that submitting contributions or otherwise interacting with Kata maintainers was a pleasant/positive experience and the community was genuinely helpful. They seem to be actively engaged with potential users and projects they see as relevant to their scope (notably Firecracker), and maintain a visible presence at popular industry events like KubeCon. [0] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tc-kata-confirmation-feedback [2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004376.html [3] https://github.com/kata-containers/community [4] https://github.com/kata-containers/community/blob/master/VMT/VMT.md [5] http://jenkins.katacontainers.io/ -- Mohammed Naser — vexxhost ----------------------------------------------------- D. 514-316-8872 D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200 E. mnaser at vexxhost.com W. http://vexxhost.com From gr at ham.ie Fri Apr 5 14:54:50 2019 From: gr at ham.ie (Graham Hayes) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:54:50 +0100 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: On 02/04/2019 14:43, Alan Clark wrote: > 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect > attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the > candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and discuss > the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, /the Board of > Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via > remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the > Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request > other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware > Corporate Law. > > > > If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels > that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this > amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. > I am still not sure what could be required for an executive session that is not covered by "sensitive personnel information" that would require this. Personally, for me, this looks like we are not abiding by our own ethos of the Four Opens - I do understand if there is personel issues with a potential project, we would want to have it discussed behind closed doors, but everything else should be in the open. If the project that is about to be included has large enough personnel issues that they could cause issues for its inclusion in the foundation, there is a very high chance that they are going to fail some of the confirmation guidelines, and that *is* something the community should have visiblity into. Even from an optics perspective - the board deciding to include or not include a project behind closed doors is not something that is representitive of the OpenStack community, and not something I think the community should be supporting. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jonathan at openstack.org Mon Apr 8 15:58:38 2019 From: jonathan at openstack.org (Jonathan Bryce) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 10:58:38 -0500 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] April 8, 2019 Board Meeting Message-ID: Hi everyone, The OSF Board of Directors met today. The agenda was posted online[1]. The primary purpose of today’s meeting was confirmation review of two pilot projects: Kata Containers and Zuul. Eric Ernst from the Kata Containers Architecture Committee presented about the project and covered the areas that the Board had approved as guidelines for confirmation[2]. After the presentation[3], the Board had a number of questions for the Kata Containers team. As the questions wrapped up, the Board decided to proceed with a vote on confirmation today and approved it as the first new top-level Open Infrastructure Project in the foundation. Congrats to the Kata Containers team and community! Next, Monty Taylor presented the Zuul project for consideration[4]. Again, the presentation was followed by discussion and a number of questions around the project. In particular the Board spent a lot of time discussing some of the licensing considerations in Zuul as it integrates with other non-Apache licensed projects and code. Several people made proposals about how to handle the approval of the project to take this into account. In the end, everyone agreed to work that out offline and revisit the licensing and confirmation proposals at the next Board meeting. Finally, Alan reviewed the state of updating the provision in the Bylaws around topics that are allowed to be discussed in Executive Session. There’s been a longer thread on the mailing list on this[5], and the Board will continue to review this with a potential vote at an upcoming Board meeting. Thanks to the Kata and Zuul teams for putting together great presentations and taking the time to discuss their progress with the Board! Jonathan 1. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/8April2019BoardMeeting 2. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines 3. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Vil7Px-KyjxrfjO4TT25hKRDb2O02_qmrn4RtFBq0d4/ 4. https://zuul-ci.org/confirmation/ 5. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2019-April/002740.html From allison at lohutok.net Mon Apr 8 17:20:46 2019 From: allison at lohutok.net (Allison Randal) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 18:20:46 +0100 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> We talked about this in the board meeting today, and thought that "Except as necessary" at the beginning of the sentence is sufficient for the bylaws to express that open meetings are the norm, and executive sessions are only for special limited circumstances. But, since our process for the Gold and Platinum Member candidacy is to always schedule an executive session, that might create an assumption that we will do the same for project confirmation. We thought the best place to be explicit that open meetings are the normal process for confirmation review would be in the process section at the bottom of the project confirmation guidelines: https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines I volunteered to make a first draft, so here is a bullet point, to add just after the point "Representatives of the pilot project will attend a discussion meeting with the Board..." ====== The discussion meeting will be an open meeting. The Board, the Foundation staff, or the pilot project may optionally request an executive session for part of the meeting, if some discussion topics have special sensitivity for legal or privacy reasons. ====== The idea is that we'll refine the wording here on the mailing lists, and then the Board will vote on the wording change to the confirmation guidelines at the same Board meeting where we vote on the Bylaws wording change. Allison On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: > I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it > sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and approval > of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. > > I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there any > way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall under the > first two items mentioned to not be public? > > Sean > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark > wrote: > > As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus > and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the > OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects > thrive and grow.  A key step in project advancement is the project > confirmation by the Board.  Confirmation will enable the Foundation > to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project.  In > support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the > OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1].  As the Guidelines point > out, many factors go into the board’s decisions.  To ensure that the > board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to > the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board > will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as > follows: (changed text in italics).____ > > __ __ > > 4.16 Open Meetings and Records.  Except as necessary to protect > attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss > the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and > discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, > /the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its > meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic > means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make > available to any Member on request other information and records of > the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law.____ > > __ __ > > If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director > feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected > this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion.____ > > __ __ > > Thanks,____ > > Alan Clark____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > [1] > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfirmationGuidelines____ > > __ __ > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation-board mailing list > Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation mailing list > Foundation at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > From alanclark at openstack.org Tue Apr 9 22:25:28 2019 From: alanclark at openstack.org (Alan Clark) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:25:28 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> Message-ID: <005d01d4ef23$23872420$6a956c60$@openstack.org> Allison, Thank you for leading this task. I would like to suggest an additional thought to include in the wording. That the official voting will be performed within the open meetings. The same is done for Gold and Platinum member discussions today. Regards, AlanClark >-----Original Message----- >From: Allison Randal [mailto:allison at lohutok.net] >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:21 AM >To: Sean McGinnis >Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change >proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open >Infrastructure project confirmation > >We talked about this in the board meeting today, and thought that "Except as >necessary" at the beginning of the sentence is sufficient for the bylaws to express >that open meetings are the norm, and executive sessions are only for special >limited circumstances. But, since our process for the Gold and Platinum Member >candidacy is to always schedule an executive session, that might create an >assumption that we will do the same for project confirmation. We thought the >best place to be explicit that open meetings are the normal process for >confirmation review would be in the process section at the bottom of the project >confirmation guidelines: > >https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance/Foundation/OSFProje >ctConfirmationGuidelines > >I volunteered to make a first draft, so here is a bullet point, to add just after the >point "Representatives of the pilot project will attend a discussion meeting with >the Board..." > >====== >The discussion meeting will be an open meeting. The Board, the Foundation staff, >or the pilot project may optionally request an executive session for part of the >meeting, if some discussion topics have special sensitivity for legal or privacy >reasons. >====== > >The idea is that we'll refine the wording here on the mailing lists, and then the >Board will vote on the wording change to the confirmation guidelines at the same >Board meeting where we vote on the Bylaws wording change. > >Allison > >On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: >> I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it >> sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and approval >> of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. >> >> I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there >> any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall >> under the first two items mentioned to not be public? >> >> Sean >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark > > wrote: >> >> As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus >> and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the >> OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects >> thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project >> confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation >> to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In >> support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the >> OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point >> out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To ensure that the >> board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to >> the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board >> will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as >> follows: (changed text in italics).____ >> >> __ __ >> >> 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect >> attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss >> the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and >> discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, >> /the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its >> meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic >> means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make >> available to any Member on request other information and records of >> the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director >> feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected >> this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> Thanks,____ >> >> Alan Clark____ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> [1] >> >> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfir >> mationGuidelines____ >> >> __ __ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation-board mailing list >> Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >> >> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation mailing list >> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >> > >_______________________________________________ >Foundation mailing list >Foundation at lists.openstack.org >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation From amy at demarco.com Sun Apr 21 19:16:45 2019 From: amy at demarco.com (Amy Marrich) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 14:16:45 -0500 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Diversity] D&I WG Meeting Reminder - tomorrow Message-ID: The Diversity & Inclusion WG will hold it's next meeting this Monday(4/22) at 17:00 UTC in the #openstack-diversity channel. 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Thanks, Amy (spotz) Monday: 12:20-1:40 - Speed Mentoring Lunch sponsored by Intel - RSVP required https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23757/rsvp-required-speed-mentoring-lunch-sponsored-by-intel Tuesday: 12:20-1:40 - Diversity Networking Lunch sponsored by IBM - RSVP required https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23756/rsvp-required-diversity-networking-lunch-sponsored-by-ibm 1:40-2:20 - The Results are in for the D&I Survey. 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URL: From allison at lohutok.net Mon Apr 22 14:18:56 2019 From: allison at lohutok.net (Allison Randal) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:18:56 -0400 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: <005d01d4ef23$23872420$6a956c60$@openstack.org> References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> <005d01d4ef23$23872420$6a956c60$@openstack.org> Message-ID: Hi Alan, That sounds like a good addition. To keep the wording simple, I'll suggest changing the last line of the process section to read: ========== The Board will review the project's application and vote whether to confirm it in the open meeting. ========== Allison On 4/9/19 6:25 PM, Alan Clark wrote: > Allison, Thank you for leading this task. I would like to suggest an additional thought to include in the wording. > > That the official voting will be performed within the open meetings. The same is done for Gold and Platinum member discussions today. > > Regards, > AlanClark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Allison Randal [mailto:allison at lohutok.net] >> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:21 AM >> To: Sean McGinnis >> Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change >> proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open >> Infrastructure project confirmation >> >> We talked about this in the board meeting today, and thought that "Except as >> necessary" at the beginning of the sentence is sufficient for the bylaws to express >> that open meetings are the norm, and executive sessions are only for special >> limited circumstances. But, since our process for the Gold and Platinum Member >> candidacy is to always schedule an executive session, that might create an >> assumption that we will do the same for project confirmation. We thought the >> best place to be explicit that open meetings are the normal process for >> confirmation review would be in the process section at the bottom of the project >> confirmation guidelines: >> >> https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance/Foundation/OSFProje >> ctConfirmationGuidelines >> >> I volunteered to make a first draft, so here is a bullet point, to add just after the >> point "Representatives of the pilot project will attend a discussion meeting with >> the Board..." >> >> ====== >> The discussion meeting will be an open meeting. The Board, the Foundation staff, >> or the pilot project may optionally request an executive session for part of the >> meeting, if some discussion topics have special sensitivity for legal or privacy >> reasons. >> ====== >> >> The idea is that we'll refine the wording here on the mailing lists, and then the >> Board will vote on the wording change to the confirmation guidelines at the same >> Board meeting where we vote on the Bylaws wording change. >> >> Allison >> >> On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: >>> I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it >>> sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and approval >>> of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. >>> >>> I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there >>> any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall >>> under the first two items mentioned to not be public? >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus >>> and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the >>> OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects >>> thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project >>> confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation >>> to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In >>> support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the >>> OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point >>> out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To ensure that the >>> board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to >>> the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board >>> will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as >>> follows: (changed text in italics).____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect >>> attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss >>> the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and >>> discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, >>> /the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its >>> meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic >>> means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make >>> available to any Member on request other information and records of >>> the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law.____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director >>> feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected >>> this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion.____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> Thanks,____ >>> >>> Alan Clark____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConfir >>> mationGuidelines____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation-board mailing list >>> Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >>> >>> >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation mailing list >>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation mailing list >> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation mailing list > Foundation at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > From mark.radcliffe at dlapiper.com Mon Apr 22 16:17:55 2019 From: mark.radcliffe at dlapiper.com (Radcliffe, Mark) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:17:55 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> <005d01d4ef23$23872420$6a956c60$@openstack.org> Message-ID: I think that this approach is fine if included in the process section. -----Original Message----- From: Allison Randal Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:19 AM To: AlanClark at openstack.org; 'Sean McGinnis' Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation [EXTERNAL] Hi Alan, That sounds like a good addition. To keep the wording simple, I'll suggest changing the last line of the process section to read: ========== The Board will review the project's application and vote whether to confirm it in the open meeting. ========== Allison On 4/9/19 6:25 PM, Alan Clark wrote: > Allison, Thank you for leading this task. I would like to suggest an additional thought to include in the wording. > > That the official voting will be performed within the open meetings. The same is done for Gold and Platinum member discussions today. > > Regards, > AlanClark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Allison Randal [mailto:allison at lohutok.net] >> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:21 AM >> To: Sean McGinnis >> Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; >> foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change >> proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open >> Infrastructure project confirmation >> >> We talked about this in the board meeting today, and thought that >> "Except as necessary" at the beginning of the sentence is sufficient >> for the bylaws to express that open meetings are the norm, and >> executive sessions are only for special limited circumstances. But, >> since our process for the Gold and Platinum Member candidacy is to >> always schedule an executive session, that might create an assumption >> that we will do the same for project confirmation. We thought the >> best place to be explicit that open meetings are the normal process >> for confirmation review would be in the process section at the bottom of the project confirmation guidelines: >> >> https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance/Foundation/OS >> FProje >> ctConfirmationGuidelines >> >> I volunteered to make a first draft, so here is a bullet point, to >> add just after the point "Representatives of the pilot project will >> attend a discussion meeting with the Board..." >> >> ====== >> The discussion meeting will be an open meeting. The Board, the >> Foundation staff, or the pilot project may optionally request an >> executive session for part of the meeting, if some discussion topics >> have special sensitivity for legal or privacy reasons. >> ====== >> >> The idea is that we'll refine the wording here on the mailing lists, >> and then the Board will vote on the wording change to the >> confirmation guidelines at the same Board meeting where we vote on the Bylaws wording change. >> >> Allison >> >> On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: >>> I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it >>> sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and >>> approval of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. >>> >>> I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there >>> any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall >>> under the first two items mentioned to not be public? >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus >>> and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the >>> OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects >>> thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project >>> confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation >>> to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In >>> support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the >>> OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point >>> out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To ensure that the >>> board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to >>> the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board >>> will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as >>> follows: (changed text in italics).____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect >>> attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss >>> the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and >>> discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, >>> /the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its >>> meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic >>> means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make >>> available to any Member on request other information and records of >>> the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law.____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director >>> feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected >>> this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion.____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> Thanks,____ >>> >>> Alan Clark____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConf >>> ir >>> mationGuidelines____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation-board mailing list >>> Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >>> >>> >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation mailing list >>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation mailing list >> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation mailing list > Foundation at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > _______________________________________________ Foundation-board mailing list Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board Please consider the environment before printing this email. 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From clemens.hardewig at crandale.de Mon Apr 22 16:50:51 2019 From: clemens.hardewig at crandale.de (=?utf-8?Q?Clemens_Hardewig?=) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:50:51 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> <005d01d4ef23$23872420$6a956c60$@openstack.org> Message-ID: All, Very good proposal, thanks! Br c Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 22.04.2019 um 18:19 schrieb Radcliffe, Mark : > > I think that this approach is fine if included in the process section. > -----Original Message----- > From: Allison Randal > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:19 AM > To: AlanClark at openstack.org; 'Sean McGinnis' > Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation > > [EXTERNAL] > > Hi Alan, > > That sounds like a good addition. To keep the wording simple, I'll suggest changing the last line of the process section to read: > > ========== > The Board will review the project's application and vote whether to confirm it in the open meeting. > ========== > > Allison > >> On 4/9/19 6:25 PM, Alan Clark wrote: >> Allison, Thank you for leading this task. I would like to suggest an additional thought to include in the wording. >> >> That the official voting will be performed within the open meetings. The same is done for Gold and Platinum member discussions today. >> >> Regards, >> AlanClark >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Allison Randal [mailto:allison at lohutok.net] >>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:21 AM >>> To: Sean McGinnis >>> Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; >>> foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change >>> proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open >>> Infrastructure project confirmation >>> >>> We talked about this in the board meeting today, and thought that >>> "Except as necessary" at the beginning of the sentence is sufficient >>> for the bylaws to express that open meetings are the norm, and >>> executive sessions are only for special limited circumstances. But, >>> since our process for the Gold and Platinum Member candidacy is to >>> always schedule an executive session, that might create an assumption >>> that we will do the same for project confirmation. We thought the >>> best place to be explicit that open meetings are the normal process >>> for confirmation review would be in the process section at the bottom of the project confirmation guidelines: >>> >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance/Foundation/OS >>> FProje >>> ctConfirmationGuidelines >>> >>> I volunteered to make a first draft, so here is a bullet point, to >>> add just after the point "Representatives of the pilot project will >>> attend a discussion meeting with the Board..." >>> >>> ====== >>> The discussion meeting will be an open meeting. The Board, the >>> Foundation staff, or the pilot project may optionally request an >>> executive session for part of the meeting, if some discussion topics >>> have special sensitivity for legal or privacy reasons. >>> ====== >>> >>> The idea is that we'll refine the wording here on the mailing lists, >>> and then the Board will vote on the wording change to the >>> confirmation guidelines at the same Board meeting where we vote on the Bylaws wording change. >>> >>> Allison >>> >>>> On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: >>>> I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it >>>> sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and >>>> approval of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded meetings. >>>> >>>> I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there >>>> any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall >>>> under the first two items mentioned to not be public? >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus >>>> and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the >>>> OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects >>>> thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project >>>> confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation >>>> to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In >>>> support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the >>>> OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point >>>> out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To ensure that the >>>> board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to >>>> the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board >>>> will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as >>>> follows: (changed text in italics).____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect >>>> attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss >>>> the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and >>>> discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, >>>> /the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its >>>> meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic >>>> means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make >>>> available to any Member on request other information and records of >>>> the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director >>>> feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected >>>> this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Thanks,____ >>>> >>>> Alan Clark____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConf >>>> ir >>>> mationGuidelines____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Foundation-board mailing list >>>> Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >>>> >>>> >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Foundation mailing list >>>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation mailing list >>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation mailing list >> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >> > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation-board mailing list > Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > The information contained in this email may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Foundation-board mailing list > Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board From ACLARK at suse.com Mon Apr 22 17:38:49 2019 From: ACLARK at suse.com (Alan Clark) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:38:49 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> <91341018-2d36-df49-70f6-7c60d5549e26@lohutok.net> <005d01d4ef23$23872420$6a956c60$@openstack.org> Message-ID: That works! AlanClark >-----Original Message----- >From: Allison Randal [mailto:allison at lohutok.net] >Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:19 AM >To: 'Sean McGinnis' ; AlanClark at openstack.org >Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change >proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open >Infrastructure project confirmation > >Hi Alan, > >That sounds like a good addition. To keep the wording simple, I'll suggest >changing the last line of the process section to read: > >========== >The Board will review the project's application and vote whether to confirm it in >the open meeting. >========== > >Allison > >On 4/9/19 6:25 PM, Alan Clark wrote: >> Allison, Thank you for leading this task. I would like to suggest an additional >thought to include in the wording. >> >> That the official voting will be performed within the open meetings. The same >is done for Gold and Platinum member discussions today. >> >> Regards, >> AlanClark >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Allison Randal [mailto:allison at lohutok.net] >>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:21 AM >>> To: Sean McGinnis >>> Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; >>> foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change >>> proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open >>> Infrastructure project confirmation >>> >>> We talked about this in the board meeting today, and thought that >>> "Except as necessary" at the beginning of the sentence is sufficient >>> for the bylaws to express that open meetings are the norm, and >>> executive sessions are only for special limited circumstances. But, >>> since our process for the Gold and Platinum Member candidacy is to >>> always schedule an executive session, that might create an assumption >>> that we will do the same for project confirmation. We thought the >>> best place to be explicit that open meetings are the normal process >>> for confirmation review would be in the process section at the bottom of the >project confirmation guidelines: >>> >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance/Foundation/OS >>> FProje >>> ctConfirmationGuidelines >>> >>> I volunteered to make a first draft, so here is a bullet point, to >>> add just after the point "Representatives of the pilot project will >>> attend a discussion meeting with the Board..." >>> >>> ====== >>> The discussion meeting will be an open meeting. The Board, the >>> Foundation staff, or the pilot project may optionally request an >>> executive session for part of the meeting, if some discussion topics >>> have special sensitivity for legal or privacy reasons. >>> ====== >>> >>> The idea is that we'll refine the wording here on the mailing lists, >>> and then the Board will vote on the wording change to the >>> confirmation guidelines at the same Board meeting where we vote on the >Bylaws wording change. >>> >>> Allison >>> >>> On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: >>>> I like the intent. I'm a little concerned with the wording making it >>>> sound like it will be the norm that discussing the review and >>>> approval of these projects will be excluded from public and recorded >meetings. >>>> >>>> I understand that this enables it to happen if needed, but is there >>>> any way to codify that this is for cases where those reviews fall >>>> under the first two items mentioned to not be public? >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:43 AM Alan Clark >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> As the OpenStack Foundation embraces new areas of strategic focus >>>> and as the associated Open Infrastructure projects mature, the >>>> OpenStack board desires to do its part in helping the projects >>>> thrive and grow. A key step in project advancement is the project >>>> confirmation by the Board. Confirmation will enable the Foundation >>>> to apply additional Foundation resources towards that project. In >>>> support of this process, the board at its last meeting, approved the >>>> OSF Project Confirmation Guidelines[1]. As the Guidelines point >>>> out, many factors go into the board’s decisions. To ensure that the >>>> board has the mechanisms needed to be as sensitive as possible to >>>> the needs and feelings for those invested in the projects, the board >>>> will further discuss a motion to amend bylaws section 4.16 as >>>> follows: (changed text in italics).____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect >>>> attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss >>>> the candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and >>>> discuss the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, >>>> /the Board of Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its >>>> meetings by Members via remote teleconference or other electronic >>>> means, and (ii) publish the Board of Directors minutes and make >>>> available to any Member on request other information and records of >>>> the Foundation as required by Delaware Corporate Law.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director >>>> feels that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected >>>> this amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Thanks,____ >>>> >>>> Alan Clark____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/OSFProjectConf >>>> ir >>>> mationGuidelines____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Foundation-board mailing list >>>> Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >>>> >>>> >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Foundation mailing list >>>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation mailing list >>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foundation mailing list >> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >> > >_______________________________________________ >Foundation-board mailing list >Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board From amy at demarco.com Mon Apr 22 18:36:23 2019 From: amy at demarco.com (Amy Marrich) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:36:23 -0500 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Diversity Events - Updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I noticed that one event on Tuesday (Chasing Grace Screening) was a conflict with the Survey Results so please note the following updated information: Tuesday: 1:40-2:20 - Chasing Grace Episode 2 screening https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23602/chasing-grace-episode-2-screening-progress-and-the-power-of-community Wednesday: 2:30 - 3:10 - The Results are in for the D&I Survey. This is a first review of the data collected. https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23692/the-results-are-in-for-the-d-and-i-survey I would also like to add if anyone would like to touch base at summit about anything Diversity related or otherwise, please feel free to hit me up via email, IRC (spotz), or Twitter (spotzz_) to schedule time. Thanks, Amy (spotz) On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 5:48 PM Amy Marrich wrote: > Summit is a week away and I wanted to point out a few Diversity related > sessions and events taking place. > > Thanks, > > Amy (spotz) > > Monday: > 12:20-1:40 - Speed Mentoring Lunch sponsored by Intel - RSVP required > > https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23757/rsvp-required-speed-mentoring-lunch-sponsored-by-intel > > Tuesday: > 12:20-1:40 - Diversity Networking Lunch sponsored by IBM - RSVP required > > https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23756/rsvp-required-diversity-networking-lunch-sponsored-by-ibm > 1:40-2:20 - The Results are in for the D&I Survey. This is a first review > of the data collected. > > https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23692/the-results-are-in-for-the-d-and-i-survey > > Wednesday: > 10:50-11:30 - Diversity WG BoF - looking for help with the Mentoring > Program > > https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23745/diversity-working-group-bof > 11:40-12:20 - Diversity and Inclusion WG > > https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23746/diversity-and-inclusion-wg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markmc at redhat.com Sun Apr 28 20:45:43 2019 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:45:43 +0100 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:02 PM Graham Hayes wrote: > On 02/04/2019 14:43, Alan Clark wrote: > > > 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect > > attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the > > candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and discuss > > the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, /the Board of > > Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via > > remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the > > Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request > > other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware > > Corporate Law. > > > > > > > > If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels > > that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this > > amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. > > > I am still not sure what could be required for an executive session that > is not covered by "sensitive personnel information" that would require > this. > > Personally, for me, this looks like we are not abiding by our own ethos > of the Four Opens - I do understand if there is personel issues with a > potential project, we would want to have it discussed behind closed > doors, but everything else should be in the open. If the project > that is about to be included has large enough personnel issues that > they could cause issues for its inclusion in the foundation, there > is a very high chance that they are going to fail some of the > confirmation guidelines, and that *is* something the community > should have visiblity into. > > Even from an optics perspective - the board deciding to include or > not include a project behind closed doors is not something that > is representitive of the OpenStack community, and not something > I think the community should be supporting. > I know there's some lingering concern about this, and I'm generally against matters of wider community interest being discussed in executive session, but I'm comfortable about this proposal because: a) There is no default expectation of having an executive session before every confirmation vote - indeed, we've had two now with no executive session b) Anyone who does request an executive session will have to justify to the board why the topic is so sensitive that it requires executive session c) Confirming a project means the OSF making a long-term commitment to that project - I'd much rather there to be some mechanism for people to raise sensitive concerns, rather than risk projects being confirmed without those concerns ever getting raised d) The confirmation vote will happen in public - if there is any controversy, I expect it would be apparent from the voting, and I expect board members would feel compelled to give some explanation for their voting rather than leave the community completely in the dark Hope that helps, Mark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rv6848 at att.com Tue Apr 30 13:05:34 2019 From: rv6848 at att.com (VAN WYK, RYAN L) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:05:34 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation In-Reply-To: References: <00a501d4e95a$05623e40$1026bac0$@openstack.org> Message-ID: <9B4615ED4FEDC74EA1FAF8B11F578BFA5567723C@MOSTLS1MSGUSREG.ITServices.sbc.com> Mark I agree with your comments 100%. Thanks, Ryan van Wyk Assistant Vice President (AVP) – Member of Technical Staff Network Cloud & Infrastructure, Network Cloud Software Engineering From: Mark McLoughlin Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 3:46 PM To: Graham Hayes Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] [OpenStack Foundation] Bylaws change proposed at next week's OpenStack board meeting to support Open Infrastructure project confirmation On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:02 PM Graham Hayes > wrote: On 02/04/2019 14:43, Alan Clark wrote: > 4.16 Open Meetings and Records. Except as necessary to protect > attorney-client privilege, sensitive personnel information, discuss the > candidacy of potential Gold Member and Platinum Members, /and discuss > the review and approval of Open Infrastructure Projects, /the Board of > Directors shall: (i) permit observation of its meetings by Members via > remote teleconference or other electronic means, and (ii) publish the > Board of Directors minutes and make available to any Member on request > other information and records of the Foundation as required by Delaware > Corporate Law. > > > > If, during confirmation discussions, a project lead or Director feels > that there is sensitive information that needs to be protected this > amendment provides a mechanism for such discussion. > I am still not sure what could be required for an executive session that is not covered by "sensitive personnel information" that would require this. Personally, for me, this looks like we are not abiding by our own ethos of the Four Opens - I do understand if there is personel issues with a potential project, we would want to have it discussed behind closed doors, but everything else should be in the open. If the project that is about to be included has large enough personnel issues that they could cause issues for its inclusion in the foundation, there is a very high chance that they are going to fail some of the confirmation guidelines, and that *is* something the community should have visiblity into. Even from an optics perspective - the board deciding to include or not include a project behind closed doors is not something that is representitive of the OpenStack community, and not something I think the community should be supporting. I know there's some lingering concern about this, and I'm generally against matters of wider community interest being discussed in executive session, but I'm comfortable about this proposal because: a) There is no default expectation of having an executive session before every confirmation vote - indeed, we've had two now with no executive session b) Anyone who does request an executive session will have to justify to the board why the topic is so sensitive that it requires executive session c) Confirming a project means the OSF making a long-term commitment to that project - I'd much rather there to be some mechanism for people to raise sensitive concerns, rather than risk projects being confirmed without those concerns ever getting raised d) The confirmation vote will happen in public - if there is any controversy, I expect it would be apparent from the voting, and I expect board members would feel compelled to give some explanation for their voting rather than leave the community completely in the dark Hope that helps, Mark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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