[OpenStack Foundation] [Diversity] re: Diversity Workgroup APAC 2015-08-27

Tom Fifield tom at openstack.org
Wed Sep 30 02:54:29 UTC 2015

On 30/09/15 02:54, Eoghan Glynn wrote:
>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 4:37 AM, Alexis Lee <lxsli at hpe.com> wrote:
>>> Lauren Sell said on Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:47:04PM -0500:
>>>> Please review and provide any feedback before the Foundation staff helps
>>>> distribute the survey this week:
>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/?sm=Ju6YvZHHMOt%2bqvcrDczCC7KJ%2fy6YDf4koT9sM2cSqZ2ggvm1U7uH8CErqYzXNfKmlbDNU0gMLsP8ej5qguQyzWmuGzgO%2baI5VynQViJRCdI%3d
>>> Q6: Maybe "What racial and/or ethnic group(s) do you belong to?". Bit of
>>> a mouthful but it's more inclusive of mixed race. It's so hard to phrase
>>> this question well when the whole concept of race is so simplistic :(
>> Sounds good
>>> Q7: s/have you/you have/
>> Got it
>>> Q8: I'd slice by 10 years above 25, just to limit the options, but this
>>> is OK.
>> I also thought it resulted in a lot of options, but I wasn’t sure if there
>> was a particular reason the diversity working group wanted more granular
>> data.
>>> Q9: this is frequency rather than level of engagement but I'm being
>>> picky :)
>> I’ll reword the question a bit.
>>> Q11: Is the word 'speak' prejudicial? Some people find English easier to
>>> read and write than speak. Maybe "How do you find working in English?
>>> Difficult / OK / No problem”.
>> Agree
>>> For religion, this seems a good start. There's a clear boundary around
>>> 5% of world population. I was initially concerned "Chinese folk
>>> religion" was a bit insulting but (from 2mins further reading on
>>> Wikipedia) it seems to be the accepted terminology.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups#Largest_religions
>> For the sexuality and religion questions, I would personally feel more
>> comfortable asking something along the lines of "do you feel that your
>> sexual orientation or religious beliefs have adversely impacted your ability
>> to participate in our community?” and/or “how have you seen other
>> communities / organizations successfully create an inclusive environment?” I
>> think the current questions risk being intrusive or viewed as irrelevant,
>> and may not result in actionable data.
> Yes, that.
> Totally agree, especially on the religion question.
> Knowing that someone objected to a community event being held too close to
> Passover (as has happened with PyCon) is useful, actionable information.
> Whereas knowing the number of community members who are self-declared
> adherents of a particular religion is neither useful nor actionable, and
> IMHO not really any of our business.


I've been feeling vexed about the sexuality question for a while - 
having brought up the "and minority sexuality" wording in the past 
couple of meetings. I would feel a lot more comfortable if the question 
were to be changed to something more practical as Lauren and Eoghan have 

> Cheers,
> Eoghan
>> Using the opportunity to gather some
>> real feedback about any barriers in the community, as well as actionable
>> recommendations seems like a more desirable outcome for the working group.
>>> Race is much more difficult. I found the "recommendations" here
>>> interesting: http://www.aaanet.org/gvt/ombdraft.htm
>>>> - I took a stab at adding some reference points for question #9, but
>>>> am open to feedback here. The 1-10 response seemed pretty subjective
>>> I agree and I like your options. I'd just add "full-time". This question
>>> seems to make any ATC-related question redundant, which is good.
>>> Alexis (lxsli)
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