Open Stack

Kind of raises the question:

"If OpenStack defines a standard for what is and is not an OpenStack ( tm )
distribution, while it also entail cross distribution support
requirements?  or any specific supported configuration requirements?"


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Kyle MacDonald <kyle.macdonald at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dave
> How do you see them creating a reliance on RHEL (not doubting just wanting
> to make sure I see your view).
>
> RH (in OpenStack) is selling the OS for infrastructure (including KVM as a
> virt). While making sure other OS implementations can functionally run is a
> given, asking them to provide support for those OS's is a bit much.
>
>
> The sore spot here is the RHEL guest OS on top of other OpenStack (non
> RHEL OS) platforms. RHEL not being certified on other virt platforms isn't
> that irregular. They support(ed) Xen, VMWare and (I think) hyper-v. Their
> support policy on the web as recently as last year said they would give
> best effort but had no guarantee (SLA).
>
> I've been deep in this for the last 2 years and while we all would
> "appreciate" RedHat changing it's policy this was always a commercial
> decision. Frankly speaking if any of the other distro's wanted to invest
> deeply in the kernel (KVM) and core talent similar to RH investment levels
> this would be easier to discuss. RHEL is sold as enterprise class ...blah
> blah blah ... But that really means they do testing, certification and can
> assure customers that there is a plan and model in place should the need
> arise.
>
>
> Example:
> Customer x has a prob within their RHEL implementation, they call RH for
> support, RH determines the issue may be in the host infrastructure, if its
> a Debian Distro who does RH call to work with? Who makes sure the patch can
> be generated to be sure RH doesn't violate it's support agreements, do the
> other OS vendors have that deep experience and community involvement to do
> that? Obviously the answers vary and therefore a uniform support model
> isn't practical.
>
> Customers can and should vote with their feet - if your host
> infrastructure is ready to play then compete, otherwise you should start a
> commercial discussion.
>
> Kyle
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Dave Nielsen <dnielsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm no lawyer, but I think it would be hard to prove RHEL has a monopoly.
> Still, Red Hat has turned a reliance on RHEL by OpenStack customers into a
> clear liability for the rest of the OpenStack community. Rather taking Red
> Hat to court, it seems it would healthier to get serious about supporting a
> competitive alternative, or helping to create one.
>
> [this my opinion, not that of anyone I may consult for from time to time]
>
> Dave
>
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> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Joshua McKenty <joshua at pistoncloud.com>wrote:
>
>> Yes, that’s the one. I’ve printed a PDF just to help out.
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> Joshua McKenty
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> Piston Cloud Computing, Inc.
>> +1 (650) 242-5683
>> +1 (650) 283-6846
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>>
>>  "Oh, Westley, we'll never survive!"
>> "Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has."
>>
>> On May 14, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Stefano Maffulli <stefano at openstack.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> is it this one? Title: Red Hat Plays Hardball on OpenStack Software
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303851804579560290024021158.html&ei=aIpzU_vzFevJsQT_kIGoBw&usg=AFQjCNHe46xKvlhxjlEttnUlRWwzhEXyLA&sig2=sMzbNDF7bRan-69AJ0a5fQ&bvm=bv.66699033,d.cWc&cad=rja
>>
>> Trick: if you google the title of the article, WSJ will give you the
>> full article but if you follow the url straight from a link, WSJ
>> requires login
>>
>> On 05/14/2014 09:38 AM, Joshua McKenty wrote:
>>
>> Sorry
>> -
>> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303851804579560290024021158
>>
>> --
>>
>> Joshua McKenty
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> Piston Cloud Computing, Inc.
>> +1 (650) 242-5683
>> +1 (650) 283-6846
>> http://www.pistoncloud.com
>>
>> "Oh, Westley, we'll never survive!"
>> "Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has."
>>
>> On May 14, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Dave Neary <dneary at redhat.com
>> <mailto:dneary at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josh,
>>
>> Do you have a link?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave.
>>
>> On 05/14/2014 09:07 AM, Joshua McKenty wrote:
>>
>> Board members et al,
>>
>> As usual, I am not a lawyer. However, given the overtones of
>> antitrust concern in this article, if other board members and/or
>> foundation staff feel that we should discuss this, I would ask that
>> we schedule a quick board-coffee-meeting. We need to avoid any
>> walking quorums, and we also need to instruct Jonathan and foundation
>> staff with a clear response. This is not a topic where I feel it
>> would be appropriate for Alan to represent the board.
>>
>> Joshua
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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