As someone who usually stays quiet, I want to come in on this. I don't claim to have the answers (though I agree with Thierry on his arguments), but you raise a lot of good points/questions. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/attachments/20131008/6a71c605/attachment.html>