[OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

Cole Crawford Cole.Crawford at nebula.com
Sat Mar 10 00:00:27 UTC 2012

My two cents :

In the words of John Lydgate, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

There is enough here to like OR dislike if you are looking.  I think Rackspace has done the best they could with the feedback they've been given from this community both openly and behind closed doors and will continue to pursue the best course of action for the community.  I think the bigger question now is, "Which community"? We have the startups, smaller established companies that are relying on the success of OpenStack and we have the huge companies that will survive whatever fate has in store for OpenStack or at least that's how I think it's being perceived.

There is also sort of a catch 22 here.  If 1/3 of the board is strategic and more than x(where x is probably more than 5) companies are willing to pony up that money then we STILL have a massive board and with the announcement from Sony and the possibility of heavyweights like Red Hat entering this space, there is a real concern on that front too since in todays laws and bylaws 2/3 of the board would be associate or individual and that would very obviously increase the size of the board so some could argue that the price is too high and others would argue that it's not high enough.

I do agree that if the wish of the openstack ecosystem is to meet and make sure we're all on the same page then we should do so sooner than later as I think a major announcement is forthcoming(Tuesday?).

Either way,  I like the discussion and I'm sure Rackspace will listen to the people and companies that want to see OpenStack succeed.


From: Sean Roberts <seanrob at yahoo-inc.com<mailto:seanrob at yahoo-inc.com>>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:16:51 -0800
To: Joshua McKenty <joshua at pistoncloud.com<mailto:joshua at pistoncloud.com>>
Cc: "foundation at lists.openstack.org<mailto:foundation at lists.openstack.org>" <foundation at lists.openstack.org<mailto:foundation at lists.openstack.org>>, OpenStack <openstack at lists.launchpad.net<mailto:openstack at lists.launchpad.net>>
Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative

This is me speaking up.
There are enough open issues on the board structure and funding that warrant a meeting. Representatives of companies interested in being board members would discuss unresolved issues. Consider it to be a pre-drafting meeting.  The results of this meeting would be openly discussed with the community at large.
I am asking for this meeting to take place as soon as possible and definitely before anything final is agreed to.

~sean roberts, strategic yahoo

On Mar 9, 2012, at 11:21 AM, "Joshua McKenty" <joshua at pistoncloud.com<mailto:joshua at pistoncloud.com>> wrote:

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a diplomatic person. When we were launching OpenStack, this was a bit of an advantage (if we had waited for permission before releasing the Nova source code, we'd still be waiting) - but since the first summit, the community has grown so quickly, and become so diverse, that I have tried to leave discussions of governance, foundation structure, dispute resolution, and most particularly monetary corporate contributions, to others with more... tact.

But now I feel I have no choice but to speak up; I'm deeply concerned.

The biggest, splashiest openstack stories of the past two years have all had the names of huge, multi-national corporations in them - names like IBM, AT&T, Dell, HP, and CISCO. And while their participation has been tremendously positive for the project (with Quantum and Crowbar standing as examples of this), I see things trending in a direction that makes me nervous for the smaller players - for the startups who will live or die on the strength of the OpenStack project. Like Piston Cloud.

The current official proposal for the foundation creates a new class of super-members - with a sticker price of $2.5M (due up front) that puts it out of reach of all but a small handful of organizations.

This is not a new idea - it was the first structural proposal for the foundation that I heard from the organizing team, and I have argued against it (at times seemingly successfully) continuously since last fall.

I understand why it is appealing; it creates a small and manageable board of directors, with a large pool of resources, who shouldn't have too much trouble guiding and directing the outcomes of OpenStack. But it's not a structure that represents or embodies the principles that OpenStack was founded upon, and I think that while it may offer some short-term benefits, it may be damaging to the long-term health of the project because it strangles the ecosystem of contributing companies we've worked so hard to create.

The "right" structure is a much harder thing to organize:
 - It recognizes and requires project contribution (code, tests, docs, bugs and evangelism) along with cash
 - It has a single class of corporate member, a level playing field
 - It has room for non-corporate members in the meaningful governance bodies (not tucked away in 'advisory' boards)
 - It aggressively and publicly resolves the conflict-of-interest between the 'company hat' and the 'project hat'

My understanding of the key challenges of this foundation board are the following:
 - Keep it small enough to be manageable (21 directors or less)
 - Supply enough funding to carry on with most of the current project support activities
 - Ensure representation of the diversity of the OpenStack community
 - Provide a mechanism for "industry luminaries" as well as OpenStack users and consumers to provide input and feedback

The target budget of the Foundation is around $3M per year. Without getting into a discussion about whether that's reasonable or not, I'd like to brainstorm how we could reach that goal in a way that better reflects our goals for an open and democratic community. How's this for a proposal:

 - One class of corporate member
 - Provide reasonable evidence of 2 FTE (full time equivalents) working on OpenStack in some capacity
 - Commit to 2 years of sponsorship, on an evergreen basis, but paid annually
 - Individual members, if there are any, cannot be employed by a corporate member

My rough calculation, having a reasonably good grasp of the interests and level of engagement of the various corporations in the OpenStack ecosystem, is that we could expect around 15 of the 150 companies involved to meet these requirements. $3M divided by 15 = $200,000.

It's a high playing field, but at least it's a level one. It doesn't change the structure or composition of the technical committee, and it doesn't limit the ability of the foundation to raise money in other ways (sell sponsorships for events, charge admission for conferences, even license the use of the trademark for training or certification).

If we have a simple pay-to-play model, then we can trust market economics and enforce transparency of spending. If we have a simple "meritocracy", then we can expect the most skilled and dedicated to rise to the top, provided we're extremely careful about how we measure skill and dedication. If we blend the two, I'm deeply concerned that we'll see the worst of both systems play out over time - the selfishness of market-driven economics dominating our decisions with the petulant moralism of the meritocracy. Hoping for any other outcome is, in my opinion, foolish optimism.

At the core of OpenStack is the idea that a single project could address the needs of ALL of our organizations - large, small, producers, consumers, non-profits and tool makers. We need to guard that vision, and protect it from our best intentions. No one in the community, whether individual contributor or corporate sponsor, can claim to speak for (or even understand the perspective of) the majority of us. We're simply too numerous, and too diverse. If you believe, as I do, that *your* company should have a stake in OpenStack's future, then now is the time to speak up in favor of the level playing field we originally set out to create.

With (attempted) diplomacy,


Joshua McKenty
Co-Founder, OpenStack
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