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On 1/4/12 8:48 PM, "Jan Drake" <jan_drake at hotmail.com> wrote:

>Added the general list because this needs awareness.
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>I think the idea that commuity pressure should be required is bullshit.
>That's a weakness of the leaders of the community.  They don't get off
>the hook because the community isn't yammering at them... otherwise we'd
>vote on every damned thing (maybe we should rather than having "elected"
>leaders?).  

Outside looking in one could easily agree with you though I know, working
with 2 Foundations, that sometimes due diligence is required and in the
case of Rackspace I know that the legal and community implications for
doing this wrong would not be good for anyone.



>A commitment to open discussion and discourse that doesnt get followed
>through by the leaders  whom commit to it is essentially a betrayal to
>the community.  No different than being elected to congress and ignoring
>the promises to the people and the fact you're in the position with the
>responsibility to help all of them.

Totally agree here and using your analogy open source is the democratic
equivalent and we have the power to speak up and push for change.



>When it is a private organization committing to transition to a
>foundation and there is no accountability or transparency it is
>tragically reminiscent of third world regimes alleging their transition
>to democracy.
>
>So, what's the truth, oh transitional leaders?  Where's the schedule?
>Where's the "open communication and community involvement"?
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>Jan

After reading Jonathan's response I think it's prudent to see what Mark et
all are preparing to release.

Jonathan, I do remember something being said about forums and a wiki being
stood up for the foundation.  A lot of people on this list choose to just
get the weekly digest so I'd imagine a more real time communication medium
is leveraged for responses.

Cole

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>On Jan 4, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Rick Clark <rick at openstack.org> wrote:
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>> I think some community pressure is in order.  After the initial PR bump
>> of the announcement, perhaps the pressure is a bit low.  I really hope
>> that this is more than a PR.
>> 
>> I have been surprised how many people think a foundation already exists.
>> 
>> Perhaps we can make some suggestions.
>> 
>> I suggest that as of the next election cycle, all of the PPB is elected,
>> including the Chair.
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>> On 01/04/2012 06:19 PM, Cole Crawford wrote:
>>> Hey Jan!
>>> 
>>> Hope that's not the case.  That would be a sad day for Openstack!!
>>> 
>>> From: Jan Drake <jan_drake at hotmail.com<mailto:jan_drake at hotmail.com>>
>>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:18:04 -0800
>>> To: <sandy.walsh at rackspace.com<mailto:sandy.walsh at rackspace.com>>
>>> Cc: 
>>><foundation at lists.openstack.org<mailto:foundation at lists.openstack.org>>,
>>> <openstack at lists.launchpad.net<mailto:openstack at lists.launchpad.net>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] OpenStack Mission & Goals
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, no messages since October.  Rumor has it the effort is dead or
>>>indefinitely delayed... what's the deal?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: jan_drake at hotmail.com<mailto:jan_drake at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:18:46 -0700
>>>> To: sandy.walsh at RACKSPACE.COM<mailto:sandy.walsh at RACKSPACE.COM>
>>>> CC: 
>>>>foundation at lists.openstack.org<mailto:foundation at lists.openstack.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] OpenStack Mission & Goals
>>>> 
>>>> +1
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Sandy Walsh
>>>><sandy.walsh at RACKSPACE.COM<mailto:sandy.walsh at RACKSPACE.COM>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1
>>>>> 
>>>>> How can you decide if you want to join a foundation if you don't
>>>>>know what it stands for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----
>>>>> I think a discussion about what OpenStack is and isn't should
>>>>> definitely be had before the Foundation is set up. Otherwise, I
>>>>> imagine people will view the Foundation as being some sort of Wild
>>>>> West land grab, where companies are trying to shape what OpenStack is
>>>>> by fiat or by trying to buy control.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just a thought,
>>>>> -jay
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