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> In general I hate customers, and the last thing I would ever be fanatical about is support

Yup, and this group is getting PR advice about how to avoid negative reactions from the blogosphere from the guy who works at Yahoo!.  Strange days indeed.

gil yehuda
director of open source and standards, Yahoo! Inc.
gyehuda at yahoo-inc.com | (408) 336-4857


-----Original Message-----
From: Ewan Mellor [mailto:Ewan.Mellor at eu.citrix.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Gil Yehuda; Anne Gentle; Matt Joyce
Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org
Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Nomination Process Updates

OK, well I'm glad that I've had the chance to state my affiliation.  In general I hate customers, and the last thing I would ever be fanatical about is support.

I actually think that the optics are pretty good in this case.  Of the 2,500 people who care enough to sign up, over 20% aren't working for the 'big hitters', and 13% aren't even being paid to do this at all.  I think that's a great story for OpenStack, to be honest.

Ewan.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gil Yehuda [mailto:gyehuda at yahoo-inc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:10 PM
> To: Ewan Mellor; Anne Gentle; Matt Joyce
> Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Nomination Process Updates
> 
> Not accusing you at all. I'm just remarking at how the data is neatly 
> hidden, to make "affiliated other" appear to be a unit, when we know 
> that it is a very diverse collection of others.  This is something 
> that data analysts do to hide details.  I'm not suggesting you were 
> doing anything malicious. The data can say what we want it to say.  
> The problem here is not "facts" but optics.
> 
> As Stefano said:
> > for what I've seen so far in almost 1 year, OpenStack, as an open
> source software
> > project was never "tightly controlled" by any company.
> 
> And I take him at his word.
> 
> My issue is not that any person did something in violation of the 
> rules, or that Rackspace is doing something that will ruin the voting 
> process.  My issue is that it looks bad, and they should have 
> understood that.  Your manipulation of data (I mean this as non- 
> pejorative phrase) demonstrates that data could be displayed in 
> multiple ways and is not the same as fact.  I think this was very 
> helpful, and not a defense of Rackspace at all.  I'm not accusing you 
> or Rackspace of manipulation. I'm suggesting Rackspace should have 
> done a better job of reading the play. I saw your revised chart as a 
> clever demonstration that this is more about perception than reality 
> -- which is how I see it too.
> 
> gil yehuda
> director of open source and standards, Yahoo! Inc.
> gyehuda at yahoo-inc.com | (408) 336-4857
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ewan Mellor [mailto:Ewan.Mellor at eu.citrix.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:58 PM
> To: Gil Yehuda; Anne Gentle; Matt Joyce
> Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Nomination Process Updates
> 
> I don't know what you're saying, but it sounds like you're accusing me 
> of pro-Rackspace bias.  You do know who I work for, right?
> 
> Ewan.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gil Yehuda [mailto:gyehuda at yahoo-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:18 PM
> > To: Ewan Mellor; Anne Gentle; Matt Joyce
> > Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org
> > Subject: RE: [OpenStack Foundation] Nomination Process Updates
> >
> > Classic information hiding technique.  I used to be an industry 
> > analyst, we learned those tricks too. Viola, the problem has
> magically
> > gone away.
> >
> >
> > gil yehuda
> > director of open source and standards, Yahoo! Inc.
> > gyehuda at yahoo-inc.com | (408) 336-4857
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ewan Mellor [mailto:Ewan.Mellor at eu.citrix.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:12 PM
> > To: Anne Gentle; Matt Joyce
> > Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org
> > Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Nomination Process Updates
> >
> > Are the numbers even that bad?  After a bit of tweaking on that
> script
> > I make it currently:
> >
> > 31.56% Rackspace
> > 30.25% HP
> > 25.24% Affiliated other
> > 12.95% Non-affiliated
> >
> > Is that too "Fox News" for people?  I don't think so.
> >
> > Ewan.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anne Gentle [mailto:anne at openstack.org]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:22 PM
> > > To: Matt Joyce
> > > Cc: foundation at lists.openstack.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] Nomination Process Updates
> > >
> > > In the spirit of
> > > running-the-code-so-the-rest-of-us-get-more-context,
> > > here's the resulting output when run at 2:10 CST today 8/1/12.
> > >
> > > [(787, u'rackspace'),
> > >  (753, u'hp'),
> > >  (297, u'none'),
> > >  (41, u'cisco'),
> > >  (28, u'canonical'),
> > >  (24, u'dreamhost'),
> > >  (22, u'red hat'),
> > >  (22, u'nebula'),
> > >  (17, u'cloudscaling'),
> > >  (14, u'employee'),
> > >  (13, u'morphlabs'),
> > >  (13, u'emc'),
> > >  (13, u'dell'),
> > >  (10, u'suse'),
> > >  (10, u'piston cloud'),
> > >  (5, u'yahoo'),
> > >  (5, u'ibm'),
> > >  (5, u'at&t'),
> > >  (4, u'tipit'),
> > >  (4, u'opscode')]
> > >
> > > Wanted to be sure non-Python programmers have the information that 
> > > results from running the script linked on Github.
> > >
> > > Thanks Jonathan and crew for all the additional info, now I know
> who
> > > to thank for the support.
> > > Anne
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> For those who are curious, I've pushed up an ugly hack to get 
> > > >> some basic stats one membership affiliations here:
> > > >>   https://gist.github.com/3229457
> > > >
> > > > =/  not particularly happy with those numbers.  it's about as
> fair
> > > and
> > > > balanced as fox news.
> > > >
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