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Hi Florian,

With all respect, the most important voice(s) in this debate are also
notably absent - we have not heard anything from any foundation staff
since the start of the thread, and I suggest we take a pause to let them
weigh in, as (in the end) whatever happens will be implemented by them.

Thanks,
Dave.

On 05/19/2016 04:40 PM, Florian Haas wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Adam Lawson <alawson at aqorn.com> wrote:
>> Call me a cynic and this may be an unfair statement but those people who
>> present at every summit will continue to be chosen, only now at random. Just
>> my unsubstantiated feelings on that subject.
>>
>> I've stopped raging against the machine long ago. ;)
> 
> So I'm seeing a disconnect here: we have some folks arguing any talk
> selection process that is self-policing implies a lack of trust in
> good faith and thus does more harm than good (Doug, Dave). We have
> others indicating that from personal experience, good faith and
> impartiality on everyone's part is already something we shouldn't
> assume (Tristan, Adam). I realize I'm not quoting you directly, but
> forgive me for paraphrasing/condensing/sharpening.
> 
> So to summarize, it looks like there are four options currently being discussed:
> 
> (1) Keep everything exactly as it has been (this implies rejecting
> Claire's original proposal to drop voting).
> (2) Drop voting, put everything in the track chairs' hands.
> (3) Use some form of random talk selection, in combination with
> submission pre-filtering and public comments.
> (4) Use an approach where speakers vote on a random subset of talks
> and rank them, also with public comments.
> 
> Out of those, (4) uses a self-policing review scheme, and (3) promises
> to curb abuse and favoritism by effectively leaving things mostly to
> chance. (3) and (4) can ultimately do without track chairs.
> 
> Just to get a reference gauge, would those following this discussion
> respond with a ranking in order of preference?
> 
> Mine (from most preferred to least preferred) is 4, 3, 1, 2.
> 
> Cheers,
> Florian
> 

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