[OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue
Hi all, A brief introduction to myself. I am the Magnum Project Team Lead (PTL). Magnum is the OpenStack container service. I wrote this email because the Magnum team is seeking clarification for a licence issue for shipping third-party software (DCOS [1] in particular) and I was advised to consult OpenStack Board of Directors in this regards. Before getting into the question, I think it is better to provide some backgroup information. A feature provided by Magnum is to provision container management tool on top of a set of Nova instances. One of the container management tool Magnum supports is Apache Mesos [2]. Generally speaking, Magnum ships Mesos by providing a custom cloud image with the necessary packages pre-installed. So far, all the shipped components are open source with appropriate license, so we are good so far. Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. I want to know what are the appropriate actions Magnum team should take in this pursuit, or we should stop pursuing this direction further? Advices are greatly appreciated. Please let us know if we need to provide further information. Thanks. [1] https://docs.mesosphere.com/ [2] http://mesos.apache.org/ [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos [4] https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-e... Best regards, Hongbin
On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. [...]
Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/ indicates (item 4 subpart ii): "Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...] (ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose, use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically authorized by Mesosphere)." So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel like it isn't). -- Jeremy Stanley
Thanks Jeremy and Hong Bin, I will talk with Mesosphere guys in this week's sync up meeting for this to see if we can integrate it to Magnum. Will have you updated if there are any feedback on this. Thanks, Guang Ya Liu (刘光亚) Senior Software Engineer Cloud Solution and OpenStack Development IBM Platform Computing Systems and Technology Group Email: liugya@cn.ibm.com Phone: 86-29-68797069 Tieline: 87069 From: Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> To: foundation@lists.openstack.org Cc: Hongbin Lu <hongbin.lu@huawei.com>, Guang Ya GY Liu/China/IBM@IBMCN Date: 04/09/2016 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. [...]
Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/ indicates (item 4 subpart ii): "Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...] (ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose, use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically authorized by Mesosphere)." So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel like it isn't). -- Jeremy Stanley
To address the original question about the process - for license questions of this nature, the best bet is to contact Jonathan Bryce the Executive Director and he can pull in other resources as needed (including our legal experts). I’m copying Jonathan and we’ll get back to you soon. Thanks! Mark
On Apr 10, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Guang Ya GY Liu <liugya@cn.ibm.com> wrote:
Thanks Jeremy and Hong Bin, I will talk with Mesosphere guys in this week's sync up meeting for this to see if we can integrate it to Magnum.
Will have you updated if there are any feedback on this.
Thanks,
Guang Ya Liu (刘光亚) Senior Software Engineer Cloud Solution and OpenStack Development IBM Platform Computing Systems and Technology Group Email: liugya@cn.ibm.com Phone: 86-29-68797069 Tieline: 87069
<graycol.gif>Jeremy Stanley ---04/09/2016 11:27:38 PM---On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]
From: Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> To: foundation@lists.openstack.org Cc: Hongbin Lu <hongbin.lu@huawei.com>, Guang Ya GY Liu/China/IBM@IBMCN Date: 04/09/2016 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue
On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. [...]
Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/ <https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/> indicates (item 4 subpart ii):
"Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...] (ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose, use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically authorized by Mesosphere)."
So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel like it isn't). -- Jeremy Stanley
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There's also a separate mailing list designated for these sorts of discussions. http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-discuss On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Mark Collier <mark@openstack.org> wrote:
To address the original question about the process - for license questions of this nature, the best bet is to contact Jonathan Bryce the Executive Director and he can pull in other resources as needed (including our legal experts).
I’m copying Jonathan and we’ll get back to you soon.
Thanks! Mark
On Apr 10, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Guang Ya GY Liu <liugya@cn.ibm.com> wrote:
Thanks Jeremy and Hong Bin, I will talk with Mesosphere guys in this week's sync up meeting for this to see if we can integrate it to Magnum.
Will have you updated if there are any feedback on this.
Thanks,
Guang Ya Liu (刘光亚) Senior Software Engineer Cloud Solution and OpenStack Development IBM Platform Computing Systems and Technology Group Email: liugya@cn.ibm.com Phone: 86-29-68797069 Tieline: 87069
<graycol.gif>Jeremy Stanley ---04/09/2016 11:27:38 PM---On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]
From: Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> To: foundation@lists.openstack.org Cc: Hongbin Lu <hongbin.lu@huawei.com>, Guang Ya GY Liu/China/IBM@IBMCN Date: 04/09/2016 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue
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On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. [...]
Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/ indicates (item 4 subpart ii):
"Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...] (ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose, use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically authorized by Mesosphere)."
So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel like it isn't). -- Jeremy Stanley
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-- Russell Bryant
Hopefully today’s news that Mesosphere is open major sourcing components of DCOS under an Apache 2.0 license will make things easier: https://mesosphere.com/blog/2016/04/19/open-source-dcos/ <https://mesosphere.com/blog/2016/04/19/open-source-dcos/> I’ll be interested to hear your take after you have time to look at it in more detail, Hongbin. Mark
On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Hongbin Lu <hongbin.lu@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi all,
A brief introduction to myself. I am the Magnum Project Team Lead (PTL). Magnum is the OpenStack container service. I wrote this email because the Magnum team is seeking clarification for a licence issue for shipping third-party software (DCOS [1] in particular) and I was advised to consult OpenStack Board of Directors in this regards.
Before getting into the question, I think it is better to provide some backgroup information. A feature provided by Magnum is to provision container management tool on top of a set of Nova instances. One of the container management tool Magnum supports is Apache Mesos [2]. Generally speaking, Magnum ships Mesos by providing a custom cloud image with the necessary packages pre-installed. So far, all the shipped components are open source with appropriate license, so we are good so far.
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. I want to know what are the appropriate actions Magnum team should take in this pursuit, or we should stop pursuing this direction further? Advices are greatly appreciated. Please let us know if we need to provide further information. Thanks.
[1] https://docs.mesosphere.com/ <https://docs.mesosphere.com/> [2] http://mesos.apache.org/ <http://mesos.apache.org/> [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos> [4] https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-e... <https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-edition/>
Best regards, Hongbin
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Hi Mark, I have went though the announcement in details, From my point of view, it seems to resolve the license issue that was blocking us in before. I have included the Magnum team in ML to see if our team members have any comment. Thanks for the support from foundation. Best regards, Hongbin From: Mark Collier [mailto:mark@openstack.org] Sent: April-19-16 12:36 PM To: Hongbin Lu Cc: foundation@lists.openstack.org; Guang Ya GY Liu Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue Hopefully today’s news that Mesosphere is open major sourcing components of DCOS under an Apache 2.0 license will make things easier: https://mesosphere.com/blog/2016/04/19/open-source-dcos/ I’ll be interested to hear your take after you have time to look at it in more detail, Hongbin. Mark On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Hongbin Lu <hongbin.lu@huawei.com<mailto:hongbin.lu@huawei.com>> wrote: Hi all, A brief introduction to myself. I am the Magnum Project Team Lead (PTL). Magnum is the OpenStack container service. I wrote this email because the Magnum team is seeking clarification for a licence issue for shipping third-party software (DCOS [1] in particular) and I was advised to consult OpenStack Board of Directors in this regards. Before getting into the question, I think it is better to provide some backgroup information. A feature provided by Magnum is to provision container management tool on top of a set of Nova instances. One of the container management tool Magnum supports is Apache Mesos [2]. Generally speaking, Magnum ships Mesos by providing a custom cloud image with the necessary packages pre-installed. So far, all the shipped components are open source with appropriate license, so we are good so far. Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. I want to know what are the appropriate actions Magnum team should take in this pursuit, or we should stop pursuing this direction further? Advices are greatly appreciated. Please let us know if we need to provide further information. Thanks. [1] https://docs.mesosphere.com/ [2] http://mesos.apache.org/ [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos [4] https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-e... Best regards, Hongbin _______________________________________________ Foundation mailing list Foundation@lists.openstack.org<mailto:Foundation@lists.openstack.org> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation
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Guang Ya GY Liu
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Hongbin Lu
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Jeremy Stanley
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Mark Collier
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Russell Bryant