[openstack-community] Let's Help OpenStackers in Emerging Countries
Hello, we just recently held our first OSUG in Poland with accompanying Google+ Hangout & IRC Chat session. To our own surprise, we welcomed attendees from 9 different countries - roughly 50 people joined us at peak times. We are now planning monthly meetups (upcoming one will be on July 11th) and we again will have Google+ Hangout & IRC Chat sessions. One of our key takeaways was that many attendees from emerging regions like Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific were not able to join our Google+ Hangout due to bandwidth limitations. We spoke with OpenStackers in Ghana, Ethiopia, India and we came up with the following idea: Why don't we transcribe our Google+ Hangout sessions and distribute that content live via IRC? Obviously, we would need the help a professional transcription service provider and I was wondering if anyone would be interested to support that initiative with a donation? The OpenStack community would benefit in two ways: 1) We would significantly lower barriers for participants from emerging countries. 2) In each online session we would generate a lot of written content that could be reused in various manners - for blog posts, wikis, localization into other languages (as we all know, it's easier to translate texts than videos). Our Polish OSUG would facilitate that service. What are your thoughts? Would you be willing to support that initiative? If so, we would hammer out the details and present you a detailed plan including exact costs for that service. All the best, Rafael
On Fri 14 Jun 2013 08:42:30 AM PDT, Rafael Knuth wrote:
One of our key takeaways was that many attendees from emerging regions like Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific were not able to join our Google+ Hangout due to bandwidth limitations.
I have experienced the same issues with Hangouts with my brother in Italy (his home is very distant from the ADSL switch --whatever it's called, and his connection speed is very low). Hangout uses too much bandwidth for some parts of the world.
We spoke with OpenStackers in Ghana, Ethiopia, India and we came up with the following idea: Why don't we transcribe our Google+ Hangout sessions and distribute that content live via IRC?
Have you considered ditching Hangout altogether at this point and go straight to IRC? What would Hangout be used for? If (understandably) you would like to use voice for the meeting, I would look at alternatives like Mumble/Murmur or good old phone lines sided with slides shared online as simple html. For low bandwidth that should be more than enough and every participant is on the same level (no first class citizens). Mozilla Foundation uses https://air.mozilla.org/ where they stream audio and video (broadcast, from multiple sites now) from the rooms they meet in and accept questions in from audience via IRC. This is an example of a recorded meeting https://air.mozilla.org/the-monday-meeting-20130610/. It used to be less sophisticated than that, the latest recordings seem too fancy :) I think it would be good to have a general purpose platform, simple to use, to connect events across the world. I think a URL to announce the event, share slides and one-click-connect to live audio stream (video, if possible) would be great to have. /stef -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org
I think this is an excellent idea. With a hangout plus irc, we have a replacement for webex. I'd like to create an OpenStack community youtube channel that we can use as the saved hangout target. How about we use irc:openstack-community as well? ~sean On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:43 AM, "Stefano Maffulli" <stefano@openstack.org> wrote:
On Fri 14 Jun 2013 08:42:30 AM PDT, Rafael Knuth wrote:
One of our key takeaways was that many attendees from emerging regions like Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific were not able to join our Google+ Hangout due to bandwidth limitations.
I have experienced the same issues with Hangouts with my brother in Italy (his home is very distant from the ADSL switch --whatever it's called, and his connection speed is very low). Hangout uses too much bandwidth for some parts of the world.
We spoke with OpenStackers in Ghana, Ethiopia, India and we came up with the following idea: Why don't we transcribe our Google+ Hangout sessions and distribute that content live via IRC?
Have you considered ditching Hangout altogether at this point and go straight to IRC? What would Hangout be used for?
If (understandably) you would like to use voice for the meeting, I would look at alternatives like Mumble/Murmur or good old phone lines sided with slides shared online as simple html. For low bandwidth that should be more than enough and every participant is on the same level (no first class citizens).
Mozilla Foundation uses https://air.mozilla.org/ where they stream audio and video (broadcast, from multiple sites now) from the rooms they meet in and accept questions in from audience via IRC. This is an example of a recorded meeting https://air.mozilla.org/the-monday-meeting-20130610/. It used to be less sophisticated than that, the latest recordings seem too fancy :)
I think it would be good to have a general purpose platform, simple to use, to connect events across the world. I think a URL to announce the event, share slides and one-click-connect to live audio stream (video, if possible) would be great to have.
/stef
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I absolutely agree with you Sean. We should use irc:openstack-community for the accompanying text-only transcript and a general OpenStack community YouTube channel as a Hangout target would be awsome. It's good to have all content from online sessions in one place. I will do some research over the next few days: Who would be able to provide that transcription service as I described it? What would they charge and how would we (OSUG Poland) organize those sessions? On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Sean Roberts <seanrob@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
I think this is an excellent idea. With a hangout plus irc, we have a replacement for webex. I'd like to create an OpenStack community youtube channel that we can use as the saved hangout target. How about we use irc:openstack-community as well?
~sean
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:43 AM, "Stefano Maffulli" <stefano@openstack.org> wrote:
On Fri 14 Jun 2013 08:42:30 AM PDT, Rafael Knuth wrote:
One of our key takeaways was that many attendees from emerging regions like Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific were not able to join our Google+ Hangout due to bandwidth limitations.
I have experienced the same issues with Hangouts with my brother in Italy (his home is very distant from the ADSL switch --whatever it's called, and his connection speed is very low). Hangout uses too much bandwidth for some parts of the world.
We spoke with OpenStackers in Ghana, Ethiopia, India and we came up with the following idea: Why don't we transcribe our Google+ Hangout sessions and distribute that content live via IRC?
Have you considered ditching Hangout altogether at this point and go straight to IRC? What would Hangout be used for?
If (understandably) you would like to use voice for the meeting, I would look at alternatives like Mumble/Murmur or good old phone lines sided with slides shared online as simple html. For low bandwidth that should be more than enough and every participant is on the same level (no first class citizens).
Mozilla Foundation uses https://air.mozilla.org/ where they stream audio and video (broadcast, from multiple sites now) from the rooms they meet in and accept questions in from audience via IRC. This is an example of a recorded meeting https://air.mozilla.org/the-monday-meeting-20130610/. It used to be less sophisticated than that, the latest recordings seem too fancy :)
I think it would be good to have a general purpose platform, simple to use, to connect events across the world. I think a URL to announce the event, share slides and one-click-connect to live audio stream (video, if possible) would be great to have.
/stef
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Rafael Knuth <rafael.knuth@gmail.com> wrote:
I absolutely agree with you Sean. We should use irc:openstack-community for the accompanying text-only transcript and a general OpenStack community YouTube channel as a Hangout target would be awsome.
I'm happy to see this experiment run in real life, I'd love my gut feeling to be wrong. My main concern is that it would create a separation between first class citizens that have the full speed experience and second/third class ones that will have to use a worse system. Do I understand correctly that you want to use a live transcription service like a close caption system to transcribe live on irc what is being told on hangout? I'm assuming you would use Hangout as a broadcast system, muting all participants and let only the presenter talk, right?
It's good to have all content from online sessions in one place.
We can use the foundation's YouTube channel.
I will do some research over the next few days: Who would be able to provide that transcription service as I described it?
I don't know any, sorry. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Stefano Maffulli <stefano@openstack.org> wrote:
Rafael Knuth <rafael.knuth@gmail.com> wrote:
I absolutely agree with you Sean. We should use irc:openstack-community for the accompanying text-only transcript and a general OpenStack community YouTube channel as a Hangout target would be awsome.
I'm happy to see this experiment run in real life, I'd love my gut feeling to be wrong. My main concern is that it would create a separation between first class citizens that have the full speed experience and second/third class ones that will have to use a worse system. Do I understand correctly that you want to use a live transcription service like a close caption system to transcribe live on irc what is being told on hangout? I'm assuming you would use Hangout as a broadcast system, muting all participants and let only the presenter talk, right?
I would use Google+ Hangouts in exactly the same manner as usual with multiple speakers and such. No changes here. As for the transcript part on IRC - yes, I would do that the way you described it. I understand your concerns, but please note that this idea was born in conversations with people in emerging countries and they were excited about it. Anyways, I wish to see that experiment run in real life, too. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
It's good to have all content from online sessions in one place.
We can use the foundation's YouTube channel.
Makes perfectly sense to me, I forgot there already is a foundation YouTube channel.
I will do some research over the next few days: Who would be able to provide that transcription service as I described it?
I don't know any, sorry.
No worries, I will handle that.
-- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
participants (3)
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Rafael Knuth
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Sean Roberts
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Stefano Maffulli