[openstack-community] [upstream] call for actions to attendants, teachers and and mentors
Hello trainers, I'd like to pick your brain to finalize the call to action for the trainees in Vancouver. In past editions Loic had them start working before the session started and select bugs for them to work on. I think some of them found it difficult and didn't do it. It's a valuable exercise though and We can ask them to do it but I don't expect many of them to do it. On the other hand I'd like them to focus on setting up the basic for the dev environment. I'm drafting the message to send them on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter using Loic's message as a base. Please review it and let me know by tomorrow what edits it needs. We have a trello board with all the participants names and details on https://trello.com/b/iuJab0VH/openstack-upstream-training-queue. I think the best way to use it is to wait until we meet in person in Vancouver: - we'll hide the no-show from that list - have each participant pick the bug and add it to their trello card - each participant picks a mentor (more than one participant per mentor) and sets date for online meeting and we all keep moving the cards to the appropriate lists. Hopefully this will give us more control and visibility of the results of the training. ACTION: spread the word that we need more bugs tagged Low Hanging Fruit. There aren't many. ACTION: review the slides! Many need some love. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2015-April/001126.html I have started https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/training-guid... but need help. Anything else I'm forgetting? /stef
Le 06/05/2015 02:23, Stefano Maffulli a écrit :
Hello trainers,
I'd like to pick your brain to finalize the call to action for the trainees in Vancouver.
In past editions Loic had them start working before the session started and select bugs for them to work on. I think some of them found it difficult and didn't do it. It's a valuable exercise though and We can ask them to do it but I don't expect many of them to do it.
On the other hand I'd like them to focus on setting up the basic for the dev environment.
I'm drafting the message to send them on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter using Loic's message as a base. Please review it and let me know by tomorrow what edits it needs.
While I agree with all the content, I think we need a plan B for people who would have trouble in installing devstack or have a slow machine. During the previous session we ran, that's more than an handful of people who were having issues in my room, basically either because they were only having 4GB of RAM, or because the disk was awfully slow, or because devstack never installed due to some weird issue that it took time to troubleshoot and took full time for at least 2 assistants to help fixing. I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ? I know it's all about resources and hardware footprint, but I would totally be happy to explain to our students how the sponsor helped us by giving us nice conditions for working.
We have a trello board with all the participants names and details on https://trello.com/b/iuJab0VH/openstack-upstream-training-queue. I think the best way to use it is to wait until we meet in person in Vancouver:
- we'll hide the no-show from that list - have each participant pick the bug and add it to their trello card - each participant picks a mentor (more than one participant per mentor) and sets date for online meeting
and we all keep moving the cards to the appropriate lists. Hopefully this will give us more control and visibility of the results of the training.
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review. I'm fine with us giving visibility to the students on what we're doing, exactly like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors so they could understand who to pick based on their concerns.
ACTION: spread the word that we need more bugs tagged Low Hanging Fruit. There aren't many.
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project.
ACTION: review the slides! Many need some love. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2015-April/001126.html I have started https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/training-guid... but need help.
Cool. Will do.
Anything else I'm forgetting?
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ?
/stef
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On 05/06/2015 03:50 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
Le 06/05/2015 02:23, Stefano Maffulli a écrit :
Hello trainers,
I'd like to pick your brain to finalize the call to action for the trainees in Vancouver.
In past editions Loic had them start working before the session started and select bugs for them to work on. I think some of them found it difficult and didn't do it. It's a valuable exercise though and We can ask them to do it but I don't expect many of them to do it.
On the other hand I'd like them to focus on setting up the basic for the dev environment.
I'm drafting the message to send them on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter using Loic's message as a base. Please review it and let me know by tomorrow what edits it needs.
While I agree with all the content, I think we need a plan B for people who would have trouble in installing devstack or have a slow machine. During the previous session we ran, that's more than an handful of people who were having issues in my room, basically either because they were only having 4GB of RAM, or because the disk was awfully slow, or because devstack never installed due to some weird issue that it took time to troubleshoot and took full time for at least 2 assistants to help fixing.
I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ?
I know it's all about resources and hardware footprint, but I would totally be happy to explain to our students how the sponsor helped us by giving us nice conditions for working.
Although not as foolproof as VMs hosted in the cloud, I have ordered several thumb drives, and I will load them with a devstack VM disk image and virtualbox for Windows, OSX, and Linux just in case someone arrives in Vancouver without completing this step. This doesn't solve the problem if they have a slow machine, but it helps us make progress if they simply didn't create a VM before arriving.
We have a trello board with all the participants names and details on https://trello.com/b/iuJab0VH/openstack-upstream-training-queue. I think the best way to use it is to wait until we meet in person in Vancouver:
- we'll hide the no-show from that list - have each participant pick the bug and add it to their trello card - each participant picks a mentor (more than one participant per mentor) and sets date for online meeting
and we all keep moving the cards to the appropriate lists. Hopefully this will give us more control and visibility of the results of the training.
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review. I'm fine with us giving visibility to the students on what we're doing, exactly like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors so they could understand who to pick based on their concerns.
ACTION: spread the word that we need more bugs tagged Low Hanging Fruit. There aren't many.
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project.
ACTION: review the slides! Many need some love. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2015-April/001126.html I have started https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/training-guid...
but need help.
Cool. Will do.
Anything else I'm forgetting?
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ?
/stef
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Hi, In upstream training in Japan, we had been donated from HP people to use HP Cloud Services for about 40 instances temporary, and we prepared one instance per people. We request to people for bringing their laptop that have ssh program. That's effective way to avoid some kind of troubles caused by laptop spec or slow network. Regards, Takashi Torii
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Freund [mailto:tim@freunds.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:04 PM To: community@lists.openstack.org; upstream-training@openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-community] [upstream] call for actions to attendants, teachers and and mentors
On 05/06/2015 03:50 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
Le 06/05/2015 02:23, Stefano Maffulli a écrit :
Hello trainers,
I'd like to pick your brain to finalize the call to action for the trainees in Vancouver.
In past editions Loic had them start working before the session started and select bugs for them to work on. I think some of them found it difficult and didn't do it. It's a valuable exercise though and We can ask them to do it but I don't expect many of them to do it.
On the other hand I'd like them to focus on setting up the basic for
the
dev environment.
I'm drafting the message to send them on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter using Loic's message as a base. Please review it and let me know by tomorrow what edits it needs.
While I agree with all the content, I think we need a plan B for people who would have trouble in installing devstack or have a slow machine. During the previous session we ran, that's more than an handful of people who were having issues in my room, basically either because they were only having 4GB of RAM, or because the disk was awfully slow, or because devstack never installed due to some weird issue that it took time to troubleshoot and took full time for at least 2 assistants to help fixing.
I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ?
I know it's all about resources and hardware footprint, but I would totally be happy to explain to our students how the sponsor helped us by giving us nice conditions for working.
Although not as foolproof as VMs hosted in the cloud, I have ordered several thumb drives, and I will load them with a devstack VM disk image and virtualbox for Windows, OSX, and Linux just in case someone arrives in Vancouver without completing this step.
This doesn't solve the problem if they have a slow machine, but it helps us make progress if they simply didn't create a VM before arriving.
We have a trello board with all the participants names and details on https://trello.com/b/iuJab0VH/openstack-upstream-training-queue. I think the best way to use it is to wait until we meet in person in Vancouver:
- we'll hide the no-show from that list - have each participant pick the bug and add it to their trello card - each participant picks a mentor (more than one participant per mentor) and sets date for online meeting
and we all keep moving the cards to the appropriate lists. Hopefully this will give us more control and visibility of the results of the training.
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review. I'm fine with us giving visibility to the students on what we're doing, exactly like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors so they could understand who to pick based on their concerns.
ACTION: spread the word that we need more bugs tagged Low Hanging Fruit. There aren't many.
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project.
ACTION: review the slides! Many need some love.
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2015-April/001126.html
I have started
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trainin g-guides,n,z
but need help.
Cool. Will do.
Anything else I'm forgetting?
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ?
/stef
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-- Tim Freund 913-207-0983 | @timfreund http://tim.freunds.net
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On 05/06/2015 12:50 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ?
Good call. I'll ask around, I'm sure we can do something here. Dreamhost has free 30 days trial for their cloud but in any case I'll ask around for vouchers. What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum?
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review.
There is an identical set in google spreadsheet form that's more manageable for that sort of searches: https://docs.google.com/a/openstack.org/spreadsheets/d/1HSmqjeG17UOfmVxoEPt9... It's available only to people who request access (you should have access to it already).
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project.
I was also reminded that people may not have the skills yet to pick a bug for themselves so assigning one to them would also work. I added a line to the email: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ?
I contracted a company that rents Lego sets in Canada. They'll going to send us the sets already built and spare parts on Friday afternoon to the convention center. Hopefully it'll all work out. Cheers, stef
Hi Stefano,
What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum?
We used standard.medium of HP Cloud (http://www.hpcloud.com/pricing#Compute) that include 2 virtual cores and 4GB RAM. Regards, Takashi Torii
-----Original Message----- From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stefano@openstack.org] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 1:45 AM To: Sylvain Bauza; OpenStack community Cc: upstream-training@openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-community] [upstream] call for actions to attendants, teachers and and mentors
On 05/06/2015 12:50 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ?
Good call. I'll ask around, I'm sure we can do something here. Dreamhost has free 30 days trial for their cloud but in any case I'll ask around for vouchers.
What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum?
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review.
There is an identical set in google spreadsheet form that's more manageable for that sort of searches:
https://docs.google.com/a/openstack.org/spreadsheets/d/1HSmqjeG17UOfmV xoEPt9q1UEtLm8Y8QGXAzqQGePblM/edit?usp=sharing
It's available only to people who request access (you should have access to it already).
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project.
I was also reminded that people may not have the skills yet to pick a bug for themselves so assigning one to them would also work. I added a line to the email:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ?
I contracted a company that rents Lego sets in Canada. They'll going to send us the sets already built and spare parts on Friday afternoon to the convention center. Hopefully it'll all work out.
Cheers, stef
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Le 07/05/2015 02:32, Takashi Torii a écrit :
Hi Stefano,
What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum? We used standard.medium of HP Cloud (http://www.hpcloud.com/pricing#Compute) that include 2 virtual cores and 4GB RAM.
4GB RAM is not enough IMHO unless you modify the default localrc by removing some projects. The main problem is that we can't just ask them to remove some projects since they even don't know which project they want to work on. Take for example Heat, what if we ask them to remove Heat if they want to work on it? I'm much in favor of 8GB RAM as it allows to be more flexible (I still remember a student having taken like 2 hours to run devstack just because he was struggling with 4GB). On the other point, 2VCPUs is fine by me, 4 nice to have. -Sylvain
Regards, Takashi Torii
-----Original Message----- From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stefano@openstack.org] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 1:45 AM To: Sylvain Bauza; OpenStack community Cc: upstream-training@openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-community] [upstream] call for actions to attendants, teachers and and mentors
On 05/06/2015 12:50 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ? Good call. I'll ask around, I'm sure we can do something here. Dreamhost has free 30 days trial for their cloud but in any case I'll ask around for vouchers.
What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum?
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review. There is an identical set in google spreadsheet form that's more manageable for that sort of searches:
https://docs.google.com/a/openstack.org/spreadsheets/d/1HSmqjeG17UOfmV xoEPt9q1UEtLm8Y8QGXAzqQGePblM/edit?usp=sharing
It's available only to people who request access (you should have access to it already).
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project. I was also reminded that people may not have the skills yet to pick a bug for themselves so assigning one to them would also work. I added a line to the email:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ? I contracted a company that rents Lego sets in Canada. They'll going to send us the sets already built and spare parts on Friday afternoon to the convention center. Hopefully it'll all work out.
Cheers, stef
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Hi Sylvain, I agree that 4GB is not enough when students enables many projects. Our sample local.conf used in training is uploaded in github. (https://gist.github.com/amotoki/8a3ebce1267c023949bf) Regards, Takashi Torii
-----Original Message----- From: Sylvain Bauza [mailto:sbauza@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 5:55 PM To: Torii Takashi(鳥居 隆史); Stefano Maffulli; OpenStack community Cc: upstream-training@openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-community] [upstream] call for actions to attendants, teachers and and mentors
Le 07/05/2015 02:32, Takashi Torii a écrit :
Hi Stefano,
What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum? We used standard.medium of HP Cloud (http://www.hpcloud.com/pricing#Compute) that include 2 virtual cores and 4GB RAM.
4GB RAM is not enough IMHO unless you modify the default localrc by removing some projects. The main problem is that we can't just ask them to remove some projects since they even don't know which project they want to work on. Take for example Heat, what if we ask them to remove Heat if they want to work on it?
I'm much in favor of 8GB RAM as it allows to be more flexible (I still remember a student having taken like 2 hours to run devstack just because he was struggling with 4GB).
On the other point, 2VCPUs is fine by me, 4 nice to have.
-Sylvain
Regards, Takashi Torii
-----Original Message----- From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stefano@openstack.org] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 1:45 AM To: Sylvain Bauza; OpenStack community Cc: upstream-training@openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-community] [upstream] call for actions to attendants, teachers and and mentors
On 05/06/2015 12:50 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
I know it's now pretty short and I totally apologize for that, but I wonder if we could ask one of our sponsors to help us and gentlefully propose to us 50 VMs with devstack installed ? Good call. I'll ask around, I'm sure we can do something here. Dreamhost has free 30 days trial for their cloud but in any case I'll ask around for vouchers.
What sort of 'flavor' would be needed? 4 processors and 8GB minimum?
Agreed. I tried to review all the cards to see if I was able to look at a pattern that I would understand (like "I want to work on Nova, or Compute, or SLA" but that's just not possible since we have more than 70+ cards to review. There is an identical set in google spreadsheet form that's more manageable for that sort of searches:
https://docs.google.com/a/openstack.org/spreadsheets/d/1HSmqjeG17UOfm
V xoEPt9q1UEtLm8Y8QGXAzqQGePblM/edit?usp=sharing
It's available only to people who request access (you should have access to it already).
Nova has a little more new low-hanging-fruits and I'll keep looking at bugs with no owner which seem easy to me. All of that is human action, so I please ask any volunteer to help me on that for their specific project. I was also reminded that people may not have the skills yet to pick a bug for themselves so assigning one to them would also work. I added a line to the email:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-letter
Legos ? Have you sorted out the delivery ? I contracted a company that rents Lego sets in Canada. They'll going to send us the sets already built and spare parts on Friday afternoon to the convention center. Hopefully it'll all work out.
Cheers, stef
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On 05/07/2015 02:21 AM, Takashi Torii wrote:
I agree that 4GB is not enough when students enables many projects. Our sample local.conf used in training is uploaded in github. (https://gist.github.com/amotoki/8a3ebce1267c023949bf)
I will send one last email blast today and will suggest as an alternative for people to get ready with either laptop or worst case, a free account on some of the public clouds that offer one. I have just checked that Dreamhost and HP have free 'trial' options, although they require to enter credit card information at signup. http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ http://trystack.org is also an option I'll offer. /stef
participants (4)
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Stefano Maffulli
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Sylvain Bauza
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Takashi Torii
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Tim Freund