Re: [openstack-community] Future of this mailing list
During Summit cycles this list usually gets quite a bit of interaction, so I’d say it’s still useful for that purpose since the audience is a bit more specific than the discuss list.
Ashlee
Thanks, Ashlee for the info. As fungi mentioned, out of 9 threads in the last 6 months, 8 are technical requests for openstack-discuss ML and many of them we might have missed replying, though many are forwarded to openstack-discuss ML. Even in the case of forwarding, I am afraid if the author is not registered to openstack-discuss and they do not see any answer/discussion for their query. To avoid such a situation IMO, merging this list to openstack-discuss make sense. And for summit related discussion, may be we can encourage them to use the summit@openstack.org ML or any other appropriate one. Because the name of this ML does not clarify that this is only for non-technical queries and related to user groups only (though ML topic is mentioning it). or another option is to rename this ML to openstack-user-groups or so if possible? -gmann
On Mar 21, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote:
After looking back through the last 6 months worth of list archives, there have been 9 threads: 1 was an announcement about the OpenStack Annual Report and the other 8 were technical support requests which needed to be referred to the openstack-discuss mailing list. Even though the description for this list clearly says it's not for support questions, that seems to be pretty much the only thing anyone besides foundation staff send to it.
So with that in mind, is this list still serving any useful purpose? Should we consider retiring it or folding it into another list (maybe openstack-discuss)? -- Jeremy Stanley _______________________________________________ Community mailing list Community at lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Well, the reason there hasn’t been much interaction here is because there haven’t been in-person events for over 9 months. I realize it’s still limited during event cycles, but I think having a ML specific to the community and User Group organizers is important because of the heavy traffic on the discuss ML. I think it’s fine to direct technical questions to the discuss ML and encourage people to register there, but I support keeping this ML because it allows us to discuss and communicate non-technical topics to user groups and organizers. There’s not a general Summit ML I’m aware of—that email is an alias. Renaming this ML to User-Groups would probably help clarify. As we roll into this next year, I think we’ll get a lot more use out of this list with the return of local meetups as well. Ashlee
On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ghanshyam Mann <gmann@ghanshyammann.com> wrote:
During Summit cycles this list usually gets quite a bit of interaction, so I’d say it’s still useful for that purpose since the audience is a bit more specific than the discuss list.
Ashlee
Thanks, Ashlee for the info.
As fungi mentioned, out of 9 threads in the last 6 months, 8 are technical requests for openstack-discuss ML and many of them we might have missed replying, though many are forwarded to openstack-discuss ML. Even in the case of forwarding, I am afraid if the author is not registered to openstack-discuss and they do not see any answer/discussion for their query.
To avoid such a situation IMO, merging this list to openstack-discuss make sense. And for summit related discussion, may be we can encourage them to use the summit@openstack.org ML or any other appropriate one.
Because the name of this ML does not clarify that this is only for non-technical queries and related to user groups only (though ML topic is mentioning it).
or another option is to rename this ML to openstack-user-groups or so if possible?
-gmann
On Mar 21, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote:
After looking back through the last 6 months worth of list archives, there have been 9 threads: 1 was an announcement about the OpenStack Annual Report and the other 8 were technical support requests which needed to be referred to the openstack-discuss mailing list. Even though the description for this list clearly says it's not for support questions, that seems to be pretty much the only thing anyone besides foundation staff send to it.
So with that in mind, is this list still serving any useful purpose? Should we consider retiring it or folding it into another list (maybe openstack-discuss)? -- Jeremy Stanley _______________________________________________ Community mailing list Community at lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
_______________________________________________ Community mailing list Community@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
On 2021-06-09 16:01:44 -0500 (-0500), Ashlee Ferguson wrote:
Well, the reason there hasn’t been much interaction here is because there haven’t been in-person events for over 9 months. I realize it’s still limited during event cycles, but I think having a ML specific to the community and User Group organizers is important because of the heavy traffic on the discuss ML. [...]
But is it actually reaching anyone? In the several months since I proposed folding this into openstack-discuss there was only one real response, and it was from you. Do we have reason to believe that the community and user group organizers are reading the messages here? And I agree, the mailing list name is a bit of honeypot for confused users looking for where to post questions about software. Maybe if we moved it to a less vague name and off of the openstack.org domain (the OpenInfra Summits haven't been OpenStack-only for a number of years now), that might help. I'm already planning to follow up with the OpenInfra Foundation staff on creating a lists.openinfra.dev listserv site and rerouting the existing foundation-oriented lists there, so if this one is also not OpenStack-specific then it probably fits into that same category. -- Jeremy Stanley
I think what Ashlee is saying is the list doesn't get use when events/user group meetups aren't happening. However, they use it as a single channel of communication for important Foundation messaging to those groups. On Jun 9 2021, at 4:34 pm, Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote:
On 2021-06-09 16:01:44 -0500 (-0500), Ashlee Ferguson wrote:
Well, the reason there hasn’t been much interaction here is because there haven’t been in-person events for over 9 months. I realize it’s still limited during event cycles, but I think having a ML specific to the community and User Group organizers is important because of the heavy traffic on the discuss ML. [...]
But is it actually reaching anyone? In the several months since I proposed folding this into openstack-discuss there was only one real response, and it was from you. Do we have reason to believe that the community and user group organizers are reading the messages here?
And I agree, the mailing list name is a bit of honeypot for confused users looking for where to post questions about software. Maybe if we moved it to a less vague name and off of the openstack.org domain (the OpenInfra Summits haven't been OpenStack-only for a number of years now), that might help. I'm already planning to follow up with the OpenInfra Foundation staff on creating a lists.openinfra.dev listserv site and rerouting the existing foundation-oriented lists there, so if this one is also not OpenStack-specific then it probably fits into that same category. -- Jeremy Stanley _______________________________________________ Community mailing list Community@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:36 PM Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote:
On 2021-06-09 16:01:44 -0500 (-0500), Ashlee Ferguson wrote:
Well, the reason there hasn’t been much interaction here is because there haven’t been in-person events for over 9 months. I realize it’s still limited during event cycles, but I think having a ML specific to the community and User Group organizers is important because of the heavy traffic on the discuss ML. [...]
But is it actually reaching anyone? In the several months since I proposed folding this into openstack-discuss there was only one real response, and it was from you. Do we have reason to believe that the community and user group organizers are reading the messages here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOGI7qeD1NA Yup! I do read this list and agree with Ashlee - I definitely think there's value in keeping it, as I definitely hope that when in-person events pick up, user group and community leaders will continue to collaborate on advocacy, and this list is useful for that. I wouldn't be against moving to opendev or something else, as I think it's definitely true that the OpenInfra community now represents more than just the OpenStack project. Thanks, Danny
---- On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 16:34:36 -0500 Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote ----
On 2021-06-09 16:01:44 -0500 (-0500), Ashlee Ferguson wrote:
Well, the reason there hasn’t been much interaction here is because there haven’t been in-person events for over 9 months. I realize it’s still limited during event cycles, but I think having a ML specific to the community and User Group organizers is important because of the heavy traffic on the discuss ML. [...]
But is it actually reaching anyone? In the several months since I proposed folding this into openstack-discuss there was only one real response, and it was from you. Do we have reason to believe that the community and user group organizers are reading the messages here?
And I agree, the mailing list name is a bit of honeypot for confused users looking for where to post questions about software. Maybe if we moved it to a less vague name and off of the openstack.org domain (the OpenInfra Summits haven't been OpenStack-only for a number of years now), that might help. I'm already planning to follow up with the OpenInfra Foundation staff on creating a lists.openinfra.dev listserv site and rerouting the existing foundation-oriented lists there, so if this one is also not OpenStack-specific then it probably fits into that same category.
Yeah, I think that makes sense and way forward to solve the splitting the the technical issue between openstack-discuss and this ML. -gmann
-- Jeremy Stanley _______________________________________________ Community mailing list Community@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
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Ashlee Ferguson
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Danny Abukalam
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Ghanshyam Mann
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Jeremy Stanley
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Jimmy McArthur