-----Original Message----- From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stefano@openstack.org] Sent: Friday, 4 March 2016 4:38 AM To: community@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-community] We are OpenStack, but who is We?
On 03/02/2016 04:08 PM, Tristan Goode wrote:
And there lies the problem. That old time developer centric mentality that aggressively excludes the wonderful rest of OpenStack.
This is BS Tristan! I would expect more from a former board member.
Since very early in OpenStack, and at least from when I came on board (during Diablo cycle) contributions to documentation have been considered at the same level of code contributions. You don't need to be a developer to write documentation, and contributions to manuals grant ATC status. Same goes for translations, where members of l10n team get a free ATC invite. Operators have received free ATC codes too...
I am left to think that you're insisting on propagating a lie about a non- existent "developer centric mentality" or you're ignorant on OpenStack community practice. Neither of which is a good scenario from a community leader.
And you're still not providing any help in addressing the issue: there are objective, *practical* obstacles to provide ATC tickets for anybody outside of git.
Last time I checked, there was no way to pull the list of active
I'm just suggesting that perhaps the whole system could be approached in another way. That defaulting to inclusion for anyone, and letting people apply for the free tickets might be a better way. What about a form with some checkboxes, say one for "I commit code" and if you check that box then it goes off and checks your git thingy. It has another check box for docs, it goes to check what it needs to for that. Automation and all that right? But most importantly, it has a free form text field that allows someone that doesn't "fit" to apply for a free ticket. That's "open". Be inclusive, don't predefine constraints that exclude contributions perhaps none of us have considered. BTW I wasn't propagating any lie about any broad developer centric mentality, but a few people still seem to have a developer centric mentality. As an example, I think the suggestion from a few developers to split the summit benefits a few developers to the detriment of the whole community. Cheers Tristan translators; but
now that the community migrated off of transifex, it should be doable...
Do you volunteer, since you care so much about this issue? Or provide at least some ideas on how to objectively recognize contributions from others, outside of git.
More doing, less venting, please.
/stef
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