From sean.mcginnis at gmx.com Sun Dec 8 20:58:37 2019 From: sean.mcginnis at gmx.com (Sean McGinnis) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 21:58:37 +0100 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [all] OpenStack V Release Naming Poll Message-ID: Hey everyone, This is to officially announce the beginning of the CIVS poll to determine the "V" release name. Since the Train release, we use a public poll. This means that rather than having a unique voting URL for each person, all voting can be done using the following URL: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_13ccd49b66cfd1b4&akey=39d9234da798e6a3 A public poll can mean that users behind NAT, proxy servers or firewalls may receive an error message saying that your vote has already been lodged. If this happens please try another IP. Voting will officially end December 16, 2019 at 23:59 UTC. The results of the voting will be shared soon afterwards, but keep in mind there will need to be a marketing and legal review of any selected names before it is finalized. Import Note On Name Review -------------------------- There are a couple steps that I am consolidating from our official process [0]. I believe this to be harmless, but if anyone has any concerns about this please do raise them and we can discuss and avoid any issues for future elections. I will be proposing some updates to clarify our election process either way. First, there is a discrete step for marketing review. I believe that can be done as part of the post-voting name review. Second is to consult with the TC to have names removed. I also believe that can be done as part of the post-voting review, but also think that due to past concerns about this process it is best to allow voting on all of the names first, then determine if something is not appropriate. I think this should be more efficient, but ultimately I determined this course of action due to not allowing enough time for step 6 of the process. For that I want to apologize to everyone sincerely. I do think (and hope) this will not be an issue, but again, please do not hesitate to raise concerns about this. Sean [0] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html From Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com Mon Dec 9 20:52:33 2019 From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com (Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:52:33 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [all] OpenStack V Release Naming Poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean, Vidette is listed twice.... -----Original Message----- From: Sean McGinnis Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 2:59 PM To: foundation at lists.openstack.org Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [all] OpenStack V Release Naming Poll [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hey everyone, This is to officially announce the beginning of the CIVS poll to determine the "V" release name. Since the Train release, we use a public poll. This means that rather than having a unique voting URL for each person, all voting can be done using the following URL: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_13ccd49b66cfd1b4&akey=39d9234da798e6a3 A public poll can mean that users behind NAT, proxy servers or firewalls may receive an error message saying that your vote has already been lodged. If this happens please try another IP. Voting will officially end December 16, 2019 at 23:59 UTC. The results of the voting will be shared soon afterwards, but keep in mind there will need to be a marketing and legal review of any selected names before it is finalized. Import Note On Name Review -------------------------- There are a couple steps that I am consolidating from our official process [0]. I believe this to be harmless, but if anyone has any concerns about this please do raise them and we can discuss and avoid any issues for future elections. I will be proposing some updates to clarify our election process either way. First, there is a discrete step for marketing review. I believe that can be done as part of the post-voting name review. Second is to consult with the TC to have names removed. I also believe that can be done as part of the post-voting review, but also think that due to past concerns about this process it is best to allow voting on all of the names first, then determine if something is not appropriate. I think this should be more efficient, but ultimately I determined this course of action due to not allowing enough time for step 6 of the process. For that I want to apologize to everyone sincerely. I do think (and hope) this will not be an issue, but again, please do not hesitate to raise concerns about this. Sean [0] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html _______________________________________________ Foundation mailing list Foundation at lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation From allison at lohutok.net Tue Dec 10 15:52:28 2019 From: allison at lohutok.net (Allison Randal) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 10:52:28 -0500 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign In-Reply-To: <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> References: <057BD0AC-451C-4E64-9D30-6CC6A20DFA0F@demarco.com> <1595EA09-2B8C-45ED-B836-5751FC79DBA1@openstack.org> <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> Message-ID: <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> A few more news posts about the topic: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118 http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/ https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 HTH, Allison On 11/26/19 12:33 PM, Graham Hayes wrote: > On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote: >> Who owns savedotorg.org? I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED". > > From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by > NTEN (https://www.nten.org/) > > It is supported by the EFF (among others) > >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Graham Hayes [mailto:gr at ham.ie] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM >>> To: Jimmy McArthur >>> Cc: openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org; foundation- >>> board at lists.openstack.org; foundation at lists.openstack.org >>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack >>> community support to the savedotorg campaign >>> >>> On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote: >>>> From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just >>> crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jimmy >>> >>> My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners >>> into halting the sale. >>> >>> I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they >>> were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this >>> could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the >>> idea. >>> >>> >>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. >>> I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors. >>>>> >>>>> Amy Marrich (spotz) >>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there >>>>>>> is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the >>>>>>> works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non >>>>>>> profits that it was created to facilitate. [1] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A lot of well known non profits have already joined, and as a >>>>>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses >>>>>>> a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on >>>>>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should >>>>>>> use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add >>>>>> their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to >>>>>> the list of organizations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Foundation mailing list >>>>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foundation mailing list >>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation mailing list > Foundation at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > From sean.mcginnis at gmail.com Tue Dec 10 16:01:55 2019 From: sean.mcginnis at gmail.com (Sean McGinnis) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 10:01:55 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign In-Reply-To: <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> References: <057BD0AC-451C-4E64-9D30-6CC6A20DFA0F@demarco.com> <1595EA09-2B8C-45ED-B836-5751FC79DBA1@openstack.org> <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> Message-ID: Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community. On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal wrote: > A few more news posts about the topic: > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ > > > https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118 > > > http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/ > > > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/ > > > https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac > > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 > > HTH, > Allison > > On 11/26/19 12:33 PM, Graham Hayes wrote: > > On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote: > >> Who owns savedotorg.org? I see EFF references on the page but when I > look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED". > > > > From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by > > NTEN (https://www.nten.org/) > > > > It is supported by the EFF (among others) > > > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Graham Hayes [mailto:gr at ham.ie] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM > >>> To: Jimmy McArthur > >>> Cc: openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org; foundation- > >>> board at lists.openstack.org; foundation at lists.openstack.org > >>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack > >>> community support to the savedotorg campaign > >>> > >>> On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote: > >>>> From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like > ICAAN just > >>> crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Jimmy > >>> > >>> My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the > owners > >>> into halting the sale. > >>> > >>> I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days > after they > >>> were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our > voices, this > >>> could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to > re-consider the > >>> idea. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the > other projects. > >>> I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors. > >>>>> > >>>>> Amy Marrich (spotz) > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis < > sean.mcginnis at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey All, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there > >>>>>>> is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the > >>>>>>> works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non > >>>>>>> profits that it was created to facilitate. [1] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A lot of well known non profits have already joined, and as a > >>>>>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses > >>>>>>> a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on > >>>>>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should > >>>>>>> use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Graham > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add > >>>>>> their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to > >>>>>> the list of organizations. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sean > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Foundation mailing list > >>>>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org > >>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Foundation mailing list > >>> Foundation at lists.openstack.org > >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Foundation mailing list > > Foundation at lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation > > > > _______________________________________________ > Foundation-board mailing list > Foundation-board at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gr at ham.ie Mon Dec 16 12:15:58 2019 From: gr at ham.ie (Graham Hayes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 12:15:58 +0000 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign In-Reply-To: References: <057BD0AC-451C-4E64-9D30-6CC6A20DFA0F@demarco.com> <1595EA09-2B8C-45ED-B836-5751FC79DBA1@openstack.org> <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> Message-ID: On 10/12/2019 16:01, Sean McGinnis wrote: > Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community. > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal > wrote: > > A few more news posts about the topic: > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ > > > https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118 > > > http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/ > > > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/ > > > https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac > > > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 > > > HTH, > Allison It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update From sean.mcginnis at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 13:39:20 2019 From: sean.mcginnis at gmail.com (Sean McGinnis) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:39:20 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign In-Reply-To: References: <057BD0AC-451C-4E64-9D30-6CC6A20DFA0F@demarco.com> <1595EA09-2B8C-45ED-B836-5751FC79DBA1@openstack.org> <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> Message-ID: > > > It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect: > > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update > > Great to see something happening. Thanks for the update Graham! From seanroberts66 at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 22:25:49 2019 From: seanroberts66 at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:25:49 -0800 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] -Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign In-Reply-To: References: <057BD0AC-451C-4E64-9D30-6CC6A20DFA0F@demarco.com> <1595EA09-2B8C-45ED-B836-5751FC79DBA1@openstack.org> <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> Message-ID: <5df8048f.1c69fb81.6360b.4568@mx.google.com> Thanks to the OpenStack community highlighting this important issue. I have added my comments to icann for what they are worth. ~ sean From: Sean McGinnis Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 5:42 AM To: Graham Hayes Cc: openstack-discuss at lists.openstack.org; foundation at lists.openstack.org; foundation-board at lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] -Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign > > > It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect: > > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update > > Great to see something happening. Thanks for the update Graham! _______________________________________________ Foundation mailing list Foundation at lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From openstack at nemebean.com Mon Dec 16 20:05:13 2019 From: openstack at nemebean.com (Ben Nemec) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:05:13 -0600 Subject: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign In-Reply-To: References: <057BD0AC-451C-4E64-9D30-6CC6A20DFA0F@demarco.com> <1595EA09-2B8C-45ED-B836-5751FC79DBA1@openstack.org> <2a19b6c1-c769-7725-7bb9-3998cdfe34c5@ham.ie> <308dbe44-df65-8ae9-af4f-7c6e2878e4a0@lohutok.net> Message-ID: <566048ae-110e-a8b6-6bb0-50dbd65bed9a@nemebean.com> On 12/16/19 6:15 AM, Graham Hayes wrote: > On 10/12/2019 16:01, Sean McGinnis wrote: >> Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community. >> >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal > > wrote: >> >>     A few more news posts about the topic: >> >>     https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ >> >> >> >> >> https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac >> >> >> >> >> >>     https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 >>     >> >>     HTH, >>     Allison > > > > It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect: > > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update > It's progress anyway. Hopefully this additional inquiry will result in some real changes. Thanks for getting the word out, Graham. I might have missed this completely otherwise.