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I like the idea but I think we are mixing two things.
One is non-profit organization.
Another is Academic and Government institutions.
These are two very different entities and criteria need to be precise that either of these 2 entities are eligible for associated membership.
I recall that PNNL was active at some time ago. Have we reached out to them with this proposal to join?
Thanks,
Arkady

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From: Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 7:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] Associate Members


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Tim Bell wrote:
> Sorry to have missed the call, I had a last minute clash.
> 
> I’d support the idea but it would depend on the details whether CERN 
> could join. [...]

Of course! It was just a practical example of the type of "illustrious institutions" that could become members under the academic criteria.

> For background, we’ve joined a number of programs such as Academic 
> member  of Ceph 
> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ceph.io/foundation/__;!!LpKI!3XmO
> O28-H8hNU70K5l97R5z01ucUG6LMLSrvxjJqEQVhrNWEYffq41Ihryt8p5gsLmHF$ 
> [ceph[.]io] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ceph.io/foundation/__;!!LpKI!3XmOO28-H8hNU70K5l97R5z01ucUG6LMLSrvxjJqEQVhrNWEYffq41Ihryt8p5gsLmHF$ [ceph[.]io]>) and the CNCF enduser membership (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cncf.io/announcements/2020/11/18/cloud-native-computing-foundation-adds-46-new-members/__;!!LpKI!3XmOO28-H8hNU70K5l97R5z01ucUG6LMLSrvxjJqEQVhrNWEYffq41Ihryt8p4T512b-$ [cncf[.]io] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cncf.io/announcements/2020/11/18/cloud-native-computing-foundation-adds-46-new-members/__;!!LpKI!3XmOO28-H8hNU70K5l97R5z01ucUG6LMLSrvxjJqEQVhrNWEYffq41Ihryt8p4T512b-$ [cncf[.]io]>).
> 
> For international organisations to join requires review by the CERN 
> legal and procurement groups. The process can take up to 2 months to 
> get approval.Specifically,
> 
> - Extensive legal text with arbitration can be problematic and needs 
> to reflect CERN’s immunities as an international organisation
> - The membership must not indicate an endorsement of the foundation

Thanks for the details. If we decide to move forward with this, I'll make sure to float early drafts of the membership agreement by you to get your early feedback. I suspect similar institutions will have similar rules, so it's important that the language used does not become a blocker.

> The use of CERN’s logo is not guaranteed. Alternatives such as a 
> picture of one of the experiments could be used  instead. However, in 
> the past, open source communities may be granted permission. There can 
> also be issues if there are other members with certain activities such 
> as military. A mock up of the web page is usually required to get approval.

Noted!

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Thierry

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